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To: A.J.Armitage
Do they? You can't take their immorality as a given. I certainly don't give it. I don't know about prostitution reducing a person to an object, either. What, exactly, would such a reduction consist of? I've always thought of commerce as a distinctly human activity. No, prostitution is immoral because it involves fornication.

Yes I can, because I don't live in subjective utopia. Concrete moral truths exist. Prostitution reduces a human being to an object because that is what happens when you act sexually base. It strips a person of dignity, and denegrates the sacredness of sex, marriage, family, and human life.

You're right, of course, that abortion is immoral because it kills someone. It's also something else. It's a crime. There's an actual victim, the baby.

There are victims of drug usage and prostitution also. It has a negative effect on society--the society which we have a moral obligation to pass on as healthy as possible for American children. If the "values of morality and legality" are not reinforced among the public and in the media and social institutions, the agreements, declarations, and most sophisticated juridical instruments will be useless. Without a clear conscience of what is right and wrong, our societies will be incapable of being immune to the plague of crime.

I can see fighting for our culture, but not, you know, fighting for our culture.

I don't recall asking you to wage physical war. I'm talking about the arena of ideas.

38 posted on 02/12/2002 5:48:13 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Yes I can, because I don't live in subjective utopia. Concrete moral truths exist.

They most certainly do. Now prove that drug use being immoral is one of them.

Prostitution reduces a human being to an object because that is what happens when you act sexually base. It strips a person of dignity, and denegrates the sacredness of sex, marriage, family, and human life.

I've never seen an object do anything sexually base. And there are plenty of undignified people who aren't objects, and there are people who do unsacred things without being objects.

Just say that fornication itself is immoral and be done with it.

BTW, should it be illegal for unmarried people to have sex without money changing hands?

There are victims of drug usage and prostitution also. It has a negative effect on society--the society which we have a moral obligation to pass on as healthy as possible for American children.

Society? Too nebulous. If Dope Smokin' Joe takes a toke of the old whacky weed, name the person who suffers an invasion of his person or property.

If the "values of morality and legality" are not reinforced among the public and in the media and social institutions, the agreements, declarations, and most sophisticated juridical instruments will be useless. Without a clear conscience of what is right and wrong, our societies will be incapable of being immune to the plague of crime.

You can reinforce something without making it illegal to do otherwise.

I don't recall asking you to wage physical war. I'm talking about the arena of ideas.

No, you're not talking about ideas. You're talking about making it illegal to do what you consider (rightly or wrongly) to be immoral. If something's illegal, you don't counter it with ideas, you use police officers and administer punishments.

58 posted on 02/12/2002 6:28:43 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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