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Posted on 02/12/2002 4:22:44 AM PST by vannrox

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To: NovemberCharlie
Part 15: Patsonne v. Pennsylvania 232 U.S. 138, U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174.


61 posted on 02/12/2002 4:23:28 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
Part 16: Roundup -- Various 20th Century Cases.


62 posted on 02/12/2002 4:31:53 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
Part 17: 19th Century State Cases, Exhaustion, Prior Restraint, Equality Before the Law, Conversion of Rights into Crimes.

19th century cases


63 posted on 02/12/2002 4:38:28 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
Part 18 (The Final Chapter!): Defendants, Conclusion, Bibliography.


64 posted on 02/12/2002 4:44:46 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; AnnaZ; Mercuria; feinswinesuksass; incindiary...
What an outstanding piece of legal presentment; these folks did their homework, and laid out all of the refutations to the gungrabbers protestations. Thank you for taking the time to post it, I sincerely appreciate it. Please put me on your Ping list for any followup.

Ping to some of the 2A folks I know of; please pass this on with reference to NovemberCharlie's posts, starting at Post No. 34; plus the wealth of other links and references from many others.

Cheers.
/\\ilt

65 posted on 02/12/2002 6:08:23 PM PST by brityank
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To: brityank
Here's the update that was linked at the top of the whole thing, courtesy of the internet archive:

From roadrunner@madbbs.com Wed Feb 21 17:15:44 2001
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:11:08 -0500
From: Brian Brunner
To: Michael Pelletier
Subject: Re: [ca-firearms] Re: old topic private sales?

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:59:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Brian Brunner wrote:
>
>> The key is the work 'people' which included whoever was qualified to
>> vote. *that* excludes escapees and the such like.
>
>Is this Brian Brunner of New York? If so, please update us on the
>outcome of your motion to vacate at
>http://www.firearmsfreedom.net/BrunnerMotion.html
>
> -Michael Pelletier.


It is the same! Howdy!

Arrrgh! How to summarize...

I contacted lawyers 'savvy' on the second amendment from all sources I could imagine, and every one fell into one of three categories:

1: too busy
2: you're wrong, it's constitutional
3: I'll help you keep out of jail.

The law in question is NYS Penal Code 265.01 para 1 'illegal possession of a weapon' (firearm, meaning any pistol or revolver).

Got an attorney to agree to help.
He's helping *his* way.
I wrote a motion to dismiss (pre trial motion challenging the accusation), he arranged a plea bargain (disorderly conduct, no fine or time, $50 surcharge, reservation of right to appeal the constitutionality of the original charge). I converted my motion to dismiss to a motion to vacate (post-conviction challenge) and he 'didn't get around to' filing it

So I complained to the Attorney Grievance Committee for the 8th Judicial District (Western Upstate NY), and the attorney agreed to the mediator to get onto the job. I sent the last papers he needs in order to formally file the appeal, and got back the return receipt today. I'll call him tomorrow, if he hasn't filed by Monday I start the next round of nastygrams.

The plea was entered in July, this appeal should have been filed in August.

Arrrgh! As Soon As Lawyerly Possible, I'll get a copy of *exactly* what was filed, and compare it jot and tittle with what *should* have been filed. Then I submit corrections, and we wait for the town Court judge to read 114 pages of history and case law.

Costs incurred so far: $750. plus gas, time, toner cartridges, and such.

Thanks for asking!

66 posted on 02/12/2002 6:19:57 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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1: too busy
2: you're wrong, it's constitutional
3: I'll help you keep out of jail.

Typical, unfortunately. My few dealings with lawyers (divorce/Family Court in NYS) showed me you need to keep a very tight leash and parse every sheet and sentence they submit 'on your behalf'. My first one needed a choke-chain; I fired the second for incompetence; the third one (finally after much rewriting) got the job done as I and my ex wanted. Thanks for the info.

68 posted on 02/12/2002 7:00:13 PM PST by brityank
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To: Clarity
You have to understand that as a supporter of the Republican Party and a NRA member, I get all kinds of calls from the Repubs to send money to beat back gun laws. But it also make you wonder why does it take money to beat back the laws if there's anti-gun RINO's. The Republican party is the only group I can go to that supports my way of thinking in certain states. If I were on the east coast it's a different matter. So I can say in Texas, I have staunch pro-gun people. If something is happening on the East or West Coast, you can believe that the Republican Party there is just as bad if not worse than a dem in Texas. I didn't explain this very well but it's late.
69 posted on 02/12/2002 7:24:53 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: brityank
Thanks for the heads up!
70 posted on 02/12/2002 7:53:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: vannrox
We have some of the links and sources resurrected on www.dsgl.org under "favorite links" and I have a few paragraphs of text with embedded links which could be of use but don't know how to get such material posted in this forum (it doesn't cut and paste successfully into the box I'm typing in now, because I just tried!). Andrew Johnstone, RPh/MD Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
71 posted on 02/12/2002 9:02:07 PM PST by A. Johnstone, RPh/M.D.
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The WayBack Machine has snapshots of the 2nd Amendment Law Library at various times in it's history at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.2ndlawlib.org/

I doubt that all pages of the 2nd Amendment LAW Library are archived there, but many of them probably are. I haven't had a chance to check it out myself just yet.

-- Ron
72 posted on 02/12/2002 11:23:13 PM PST by Centerfire
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To: vannrox
BUMP!!!!!!
73 posted on 02/13/2002 5:02:15 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: vannrox
BUMP!!!!!!
74 posted on 02/13/2002 5:02:17 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: brityank
Thanks Milt, great stuff...bookmarked for future reference.

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!


75 posted on 02/13/2002 8:12:34 AM PST by blackie
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To: vannrox
Thanks a lot! I love the links!
76 posted on 02/13/2002 9:43:59 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: vannrox
Bookmarked, wow this is great!
77 posted on 03/31/2002 11:12:02 AM PST by Coleus
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