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To: EricOKC
Way to hang in on this thread, your frankness is refreshing.

I don't participate in "swinging", I've known people who did, and you are right in saying that most people here probably would never be able to ID a swinger on sight. In fact, I dare say that any one here who has a fairly large circle of friends, acquaintances, and work relations, knows a swinger or two.

I don't know if their actions that night precipitated the kidnapping, I wouldn't go as far as pinpointing guilt on them based on their sexual promiscuity, or "lifestyle", I don't think Molly Klaas had "swinger" parents.

Truth of the matter is that this kind of thing happens, to "swingers" as well as to normal, everyday families. It seems to me that way too many people in here are willing to lay blame on the parents, and seem to be forgetting that whomever took that little girl is the guilty party, her parents sexual preferences do not excuse the kidnapping.

I have read comments here from people calling your lifestyle "sick", and "perverted", praying for you.

The biggest bunch of sexual deviants and adulterers I ever came across where members of a Church in a small town in Alabama where I lived once for a few months on a job-related assignment. Everyone was sleeping with someone else's wife, including the Pastor, who was sleeping with an 18 year-old member of his choir. I know all this because his wife is my oldest friend, and I helped her get a lawyer when she divorced him. I guess I can now claim the moral high ground and brand all Southern Baptists as sick, adulterers, and vile sinners. Turn about is fair play they say. But it would be wrong to do that wouldn't it?

It wouldn't surprise me if some of those very same type of people are in here passing judgement on you. I wonder how many of them would be as willing to have their bedroom actions judged by us all.

Hang in there;

Luis

473 posted on 02/12/2002 5:19:28 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
THANK you THANK YOU Luis, for adding a much needed voice of reason.!!!!!!!!!!! (as usual!!)
475 posted on 02/12/2002 5:21:50 AM PST by Neets
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Hello again and thanks for clarifying the situation. My main beef with those who defend "swinging" is that some of them try to make it seem like it's superior in some sort of way to that sordid little Peyton Place you mentioned in Alabama. Just because it's not going on behind anybody's back doesn't make it any better, that's all I'm saying.

As I said before, the parents' lifestyle may or may not be material to the little girl's disappearance. But if they lied to the police about their actions on the night in question, in order to avoid exposing their lifestyle, you can hardly blame anyone for commenting on their lifestyle and wondering what else they're hiding. Was their lifestyle a "family affair", and can you blame anybody for wondering about it? Everybody seems to be thinking that they're, at the very least, irresponsible for allowing whatever it was they were doing to prevent them from checking on the children, especially after the alarm had gone off and a door was open. If one or both of the parents were stinking drunk and passed out on the couch, we would all be faulting them for allowing alcohol to interfere with their parental responsibilities.

I have my doubts as to whether or not their checking on the children would have prevented any abduction, though. I mean, if they had checked on the children as soon as they discovered the open door and the alarm, the most it would have done is to alert them to her disappearance a few hours sooner, which would certainly have made a great deal of difference in finding out what happened to her, but it probably wouldn't have prevented the abduction.

498 posted on 02/12/2002 6:29:11 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It seems to me that way too many people in here are willing to lay blame on the parents, and seem to be forgetting that whomever took that little girl is the guilty party, her parents sexual preferences do not excuse the kidnapping.

You're getting close to the root of it. The thing is these self-styled moral judges WANT and NEED the parents to be guilty of the dissapearance and possible murder of this child,PURELY because they want them punished for having "non-approved" sex. Misery loves company. The dissapearance of the young girl in this story is now a side issue for too many of these posters.

508 posted on 02/12/2002 6:39:14 AM PST by sneakypete
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