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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


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To: golitely

"People who were in the van Dam home Friday and Saturday have been cleared, (lead investigator) Duncan said."

I know that's probably dissapointing a lot of FReepers.

801 posted on 02/13/2002 4:43:49 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: spectre
It smells!

Yes. At first I thought the comparisons of the mother to Susan Smith were pretty far fetched but reading the parents have hired a PR firm to build up their media images is very odd. Plus the neighbor telling the police he was dancing with Danielle's mother and her denying it is a bit puzzling. He would have less motive for lying about that since it actually helps to place him at the crime scene. It's even possible he is being framed because his collection of porn makes him look suspicious.

802 posted on 02/13/2002 4:50:22 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Jesus encountered a crowd of people stoning an adultress, commanded that only those free of sin should cast stones.

They were going to kill her. Nobody here is in that kind of danger.

You are still at the rock-throwing, name-calling stage. Then you hide behind Bible verse that you are not worthy of quoting to justify your name-calling.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I'm calling it as I see it.

Not judgemental blowhards calling them perverts and deviants.

They involved their children in their sordid life......and now one may have paid for their self-indulgence.

Ask yourself, is what you have done on this thread what Jesus would have done?

He was never afraid to call a sin what it is.........a sin. Some people didn't like to hear it then either. They killed Him for it.

803 posted on 02/13/2002 5:43:39 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"All you've done here is criticize others because they refuse to see it your way..."

Pot...kettle...black...

You want to talk the Bible........is swinging (adultery) a sin or not?..........is this so hard? You sit here and criticize me for pointing out the obvious.

804 posted on 02/13/2002 5:46:44 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Selara
"...because you seem locked on to your belief that parental actions can have no effect on their children's lives..."

Another unsubstantiated assumption by yet another FReeper who can't tell a fact apart from a rumour.

Please show me any statement that I have made that would back up what you just posted about me.

805 posted on 02/13/2002 6:42:54 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: FITZ
"...reading the parents have hired a PR firm to build up their media images..."

Why do you continue to post unsubstantiated lies? You haven't a clue as to WHY these parents hired a PR firm.

806 posted on 02/13/2002 7:02:40 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The police just released a statement clearing all people who had been in the house both Friday and Saturday. That eliminates even the wildest rumours you and others have been spreading.

They are sinners, so are you, and so am I. Moral relativity is what you will have to engage in to show me that whatever sins the Van Dams may be guilty of, are worse than the sins that you and I are guilty of.

They are all sins, and we are all sinners in His eyes.

BTW, I like the way that you twist scripture to suit your need. Sometimes it's allegorical, others it's literal.

You and I (I think you anyway) both know what the tale of the adultress meant. Don't BS me.

807 posted on 02/13/2002 7:03:17 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Maybe because their 13 year old ran away??? You shouldn't lecture me about unsubstantiated rumors. You claimed it was a case of a teenage runaway.
808 posted on 02/13/2002 7:04:05 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, I like the way that you twist scripture to suit your need. Sometimes it's allegorical, others it's literal.

You tell me where I am 'twisting' Scripture........I regard that as a serious charge.

809 posted on 02/13/2002 7:05:17 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Post 765 ---there was a rumor started that the little girl was really 13 and had most likely run away.
810 posted on 02/13/2002 7:06:38 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You and I (I think you anyway) both know what the tale of the adultress meant. Don't BS me.

He told her to go and sin no more.

He was critical of her lifestyle choice however; He rebuked those who would pass His Father's judgement upon her.

811 posted on 02/13/2002 7:09:51 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I didn't start any rumors anyhow, all I did was repeat rumors I had read in articles ---I didn't make up about the orgies, I didn't make up that they had hired a PR firm to do something for their image. I definitely do question why someone who would be in agony over a missing child would take time out to worry how good they look in the media.
812 posted on 02/13/2002 7:12:16 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Think about the apostle Paul for a minute; God found one person who would be more open to attacks such as "you were a monster, Paul; who are you to tell us we are sinning?'.........that is how my comment about the prostitute came about, and is undoubtably true.

Preemptive strike; Paul (Saul) is the worst person you could dream up that would have authority to speak His word.........and no Luis, I'm not comparing myself to him, if that is what is next on your plate.

As I said before, there is a great lesson there.

The last will be first, and the first will be last.

813 posted on 02/13/2002 7:16:13 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Selara
"In this particular case, the lifestyle of letting comparative strangers, who are intoxicated and have heightened sexual appetites, while the parents are intoxicated, into one's home with sleeping children could have contributed to this tragedy."

According to the police statements, the people who where in that house both Friday and Saturday nights have been cleared of any involvement, so your point is moot.

The fact is that children are kidnapped by sick, perverted a$$holes who get sexually aroused by little kids. The overwhelming majority of swingers are adults who enjoy sexual contact with like-minded adults. If that was not true, and considering just how many swingers are out there, we would be reading this story constantly, wouldn't we?

Look through the thread and you'll see all the FReepers equating pedophilia with adultery. What a bunch of crap. Pedophiles are sick people, and in a class of their own.

The person who kidnapped Danielle, has probably murdered her by now. If we catch the SOB, the Van Dams are going to be put on trial for their lifestyle. There's nothing illegal in what they do, mind you, but the scumbucket who killed this child will take a clue from those who are placing blame on the parents here and elsewhere, to try and get away with his inhumane crime.

814 posted on 02/13/2002 7:19:25 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: FITZ
In your simple world, the van Dams, missing a child, have hired a PR firm to make them look better in front of cameras. Try reading the explanations that I have posted as to WHY they may have done that.

I find this statement of yours interesting: "...all I did was repeat rumors...", and you continue to do it as if they are facts, don't you see something very wrong with that?

815 posted on 02/13/2002 7:23:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis,
Thank you for the Alice in Wonderland conversation. I take it you concede my point that a lifestyle is different than an event. Please reread my posts. Each one was a "could be, possible, etc" type of thing. All were based on well established criminal investigation methods, and child development studies.

As I am not quite sure what you are either asserting or defending, it is not really productive to this thread, myself or to you, to continue a discussion with you.

In addition, I do not care for your use of the Bible to defend behaviors that are clearly against what the scripture teaches. The scriptures teach repentence from sin, forgiveness and atonement of sin...it never condones sin.

Good day.

816 posted on 02/13/2002 7:24:05 PM PST by Selara
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To: Luis Gonzalez
At least I didn't try to change the age of the victim and accuse her of running away.
817 posted on 02/13/2002 7:27:53 PM PST by FITZ
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I find it interesting, and quite telling that you fail to answer questions. Which BTW, is why I don't answer yours.

I am still waiting for the response on taking children from their parents if they do not allow the kids to receive medical assistance when urgently needed based on their religious beliefs.

I am also amused at what you will not respond to in my posts to you.

For ewxample, you left a nice chunk of response #780 on the "cutting room floor".

This part that you left off struck me in particular:

"Hate the sin and love the sinner my brother."


818 posted on 02/13/2002 7:29:47 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Big, 21 point fonts don't win a debate at Free Republic.
819 posted on 02/13/2002 7:31:32 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Selara
"I do not care for your use of the Bible to defend behaviors that are clearly against what the scripture teaches."

And yet another lie.

Show me wherte I have used the Bible to defend the behavior of the Van Dams, or apologize.

So-called Christians do nothing but lie and offer false witness in here.

820 posted on 02/13/2002 7:31:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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