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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.


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To: oldvike
To be a swinger you have to be a sexual deviant. And many sexual deviants are pedophiles. Bring a pedophile into your home and you open yourself up to a world of hurt.

That's a bit of a non-sequitur. In truth, I don't see anything obviously sexually deviant in being a swinger; "swinger" is really just another word for "promiscuous" when you get right down to it. They weren't homosexual, and there were no farm animals or underage people involved. The difference between them and the average promiscuous American is that they are honest about it.

I don't really find the lifestyle to be savory, but I don't think that it is much of a sexual deviation as they were doing it either. I've known some otherwise upstanding individuals who did swing on rare occasion, some of whom are far more conservative than I am; most do not make it an overt lifestyle and you generally would never know unless you were told. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I don't really consider it an issue unless a person makes it a problem. As I said, I've never done it and kind of look upon the practice with some distaste, but I don't see it as an innate social problem either.

Granted, these don't seem to have been the most responsible parents, but that has very little to do with the fact that they were swingers. There are vast quantities of equally irresponsible parents who don't have "sexually deviant" proclivities who it could have happened to.

82 posted on 02/11/2002 6:20:48 PM PST by tortoise
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To: murdoog
"Maybe I'm turning liberal or something, but it seems a little cruel that their sexual habits are becoming fair game for the whole damn world while they are also having to deal with a missing and possible dead child."

Did it ever occur to you that if not for the bad habit of bringing strangers home from a bar to have sex in your house with your children there the little girl might not be missing in the first place?
83 posted on 02/11/2002 6:20:51 PM PST by wontbackdown
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To: EricOKC
To attempt to defend "swinging" parents of young children is disgusting. You have no moral high ground in a swamp.
85 posted on 02/11/2002 6:24:53 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: EricOKC
Pedophilia is absolutely NOT something which exists as an interest among swingers.

I don't doubt that point, as swinging is mostly about hedonism whereas pedophilia is a deep pathology involving power and control issues.

But the real question is this: couldn't a crafty pedophile use swinging as a means to access children?

86 posted on 02/11/2002 6:24:57 PM PST by Petronski
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To: EricOKC
And yes, before you ask, I do have some very intimate knowledge of the swinging lifestyle and I can tell you this with absolute certainty: Pedophilia is absolutely NOT something which exists as an interest among swingers. It is not something which would be tolerated. It is not something a swinger would even consider. To attempt to link the two together, besides being irresponsible, is simply disgusting.

Its an absolutely disgusting and immoral lifestyle. Would you want to raise your kids among people that practiced this lifestyle? Its no different than homosexuals who have higher incidents of sexually transmitted diseases saying they're just like middle america. its a lie. A HUGE LIE.

87 posted on 02/11/2002 6:26:18 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: MsLady
"They obiviously were more concerned about their own sexual wants, then they were about their kids saftey and welfare."

Yeah, they are true citizens of the new millenium.

88 posted on 02/11/2002 6:28:02 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: wontbackdown
Did it ever occur to you that if not for the bad habit of bringing strangers home from a bar to have sex in your house with your children there the little girl might not be missing in the first place?

If these stories are true, then the Van Dams turned their home into a sewer, and their little girl paid dearly for their jollies. I would not want to have that guilt banging around in my head...a person could go mad.

89 posted on 02/11/2002 6:29:25 PM PST by Petronski
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To: Hildy
"If it has nothing to do with the little girl's disappearance, than why bring it up. "

Because, Hildy, actions have consequences. And just how do you know that their actions have nothing to do with her disappearance?

90 posted on 02/11/2002 6:29:40 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: VA Advogado
Drugs are harmless, right guys?

Only a twit would insinuate that drugs were the reason the kid was abducted. They could have been drinking a few brewskis and the result would have been no different. Hell, they could have been stone cold sober and there is nothing to suggest that the outcome would not have been the same.

91 posted on 02/11/2002 6:30:55 PM PST by tortoise
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To: tortoise
They could have been drinking a few brewskis and the result would have been no different.

Yeah, but they weren't. Pot was the drug of choice. These people should be put in jail just for that. Child endangerment PERIOD.

93 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:02 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: EricOKC
So far we have have rumors (albeit unsubstantiated) that the parents were swingers, that the neighbor was involved/interested in that lifestyle and that a cache of kiddie porn was discovered in his house. Despite your protestations it would seem that the crossover between the parents lifestyle and contact with potential pedophiles is real.

I could care less what you do privately, but making blanket statements that swingers would never be involved with anyone associated with pedophilia is ridiculous. I don't recall hearing that the parents were running background checks on their bar pick-ups.

94 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:13 PM PST by garv
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To: tortoise
They could have been drinking a few brewskis and the result would have been no different.

Yeah, but they weren't. Pot was the drug of choice. These people should be put in jail just for that. Child endangerment PERIOD.

95 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:44 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Petronski
"Any husband who swaps his wife around (whether it's his idea or hers, whether she agrees or not) does not have the depth of emotional attachment I would expect from a good parent. "

Our society is decadent. That means the people are decadent. Look at the Mardi Gras thread posts about how many people think such behavior is perfectly fine.

96 posted on 02/11/2002 6:35:14 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: VA Advogado
And so far, they're only admitting to pot--who knows what else was smoked, ingested, or injected?
97 posted on 02/11/2002 6:36:03 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: tpaine
I think there is an odds on chance you're as sick as the alleged swingers, VA. -- 100 to 1, anyone?

So are you here to defend the drug use or the child porn? There's a lot to keep you libertarian sickos busy.

98 posted on 02/11/2002 6:36:30 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
HUGE? -- Good grief. Get a grip gado.
99 posted on 02/11/2002 6:37:42 PM PST by tpaine
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To: EricOKC
Oh poppycock!!!
100 posted on 02/11/2002 6:37:42 PM PST by MsLady
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