[MadIvan]

I just pointed out to you that thumping great majority of those polled by the Mirror supported the Americans in their treatment of the Al Quaeda prisoners, which is the most recent data we have. Which is more representative, that, or the pathetic ramblings of an elitist of the Islington set?

As for suggesting I grovel to the Americans, the numbers of Americans who have gotten an earbashing from me for insulting the UK would tend to disagree, I dare say. I was doing that before your membership here was a glimmer in your Internet Explorer window.

Finally, I am sure that anyone with brains and some courage recognises that a foreign policy based on "Please Mr. Terrorist, please don't hurt us, we'll do whatever you want and be nicer next time." is not realistic. But in the end, that is what you Grauniad people want - surrender, appeasement, accomodation. I don't agree with the Americans on everything, but I certainly agree with drawing a line and saying No to any such notion.

Ivan