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To: TrueBrit
Much as you deride it, most muslims aren't the religious nutters you wish them to be. As for their finding western civilisation "decadent", well, I think you'd find plenty of people in the western world who wouldn't demur too much from that view

You're just saying this without anything to back it up. Would you like to discuss the Wahabbis in Saudi Arabia? The present Islamic regime in Iran? And indeed the Taliban regime? And if you need proof about the Taliban, look at www.rawa.org. And keep in mind, Al Qaeda locked in on the Taliban as being the "perfect" Islamic state.

My argument as well was not to kill all Muslims. Look at what I said, it was to kill the terrorists. But you don't want to do that.

Ivan
152 posted on 02/23/2002 11:10:17 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: TrueBrit
Much as you deride it, most muslims aren't the religious nutters you wish them to be.

If it makes you feel better, I don't believe MOST muslims are bad. I think the figure of nutjobs to regular Muhammed-Six-Packs is propably around 20% if that. I think a good many more of them will go along, though, because they have to live with the ones that are genuinely extreme. They will go along because if they don't, they'll be slaughtered just like so many Afghans were being slaughtered or mutilated every day. That sort of slaughter will continue until the apathetic among them are willing able to fight back, or until someone else puts a stop to the insanity by force. Nothing short of that will stop thugs from being thugs.

But let's put this in perspective for you.

The American Revolution was carried out with something like 20-25% of the colonials in support. It was not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. It was a MINORITY of extremists, one might say- though suicide bombing and hostage-taking and mass murder wasn't our style.

From that MINORITY a nation was formed which over time saw world power after world power fall by the wayside. "Broken thrones and fallen empires mark the roads that we have paved," as one American put it. That MINORITY of people (and we're not talking about even a million) created the world power known as the United States, and that status looks like it won't be challenged for the time being. The whole world pretty much has to sit under our kind of tree until someone else pulls us down or someone else's tree outgrows ours, or Heaven forbid, our tree gets girdled outright by a domestic vandal or a foreign one. You have to watch while we fight, and ASK us not to do this or that, because there really isn't a darn thing you can do to MAKE us do anything, or to PREVENT us from doing anything, other than to persuade us with words or to get off of your own butts and start tending to your own security.

Why do you have to sit under our tree? Because you LET a minority of people wrest this country from you in the first place, then over time LET this minority grow into a big power, scattering its seed everywhere, while all of you squabbled amongst yourselves about who was the world power of the day. And over time you LET the US take over a little more of what you formerly did for yourselves. We took responsibility after responsibility off of your shoulders, because you LET us do the protecting, LET us do the feeding, and LET our culture expand its influence until there isn't a country on earth that doesn't know American business, American slang, American music, or ignore American policy. You grump about how we somehow IMPOSED our culture on you, when in fact you sucked it up like a thirsty sponge, and now you use a decadent American internet concept to kvetch about decadent Americans.

Not bad for a political movement which began as a minority of 25%, eh?

Don't underestimate any political movement that shoots at you or your friends. It really is a bad idea to get that complacent, while your culture gets effectively swallowed by yet another radical political group with political ambitions.

This new radical group may be a minority but it won't be adding Coca Cola, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and McDonald's to your menu. It will be telling you what you can and cannot eat.

It will not impose Pax Americana, it will impose sharia law.

This new 'minority' of radicals among the muslim immigrants won't be protecting your butts. It will be blowing up your churches and your cultural heritage.

Its troops won't be buying your products when they go out on the town. They'll be breaking your store windows and stealing your goods, or blowing themseves up in your malls and town centers.

This 'small group' of radicals won't be offending you with annoying hip-hop, country-western, or rap music. It will be calling you come to prayer five times a day or it will slit your throat if you don't comply.

The empire it becomes will feed on your blood, not exchange goods with you.

The political force they become won't be "decadent," it won't produce wealth nor will it spin off discovery after discovery in health care, contsruction, agriculture and communications. Instead it will put intellectuals to flight or to the sword, and silence the voices who plead for mercy. And while they impose an austere life on you, their elite, like Mullah Omar and the Wahabbists, will have the very best his feudalized society can offer.

You can choose how decadent OR how devout you want to be with America walking the beat. You can choose how decadent or how devout you want to be if YOU walk your own beat. Even muslims can worship in peace, with us or with you. But under this 'minority' of radicals, you won't have a choice between being decadent or austere, because they trade in misery. Do not ever underestimate a few determined and ambitious men.

155 posted on 02/24/2002 1:12:40 AM PST by piasa
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