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To: MadIvan
"You are obviously for the terrorists. Anything that allows them to live, means that they have the world within which to bustle. That's plain enough. Of course with your head so far up the Guardian's pompous arse, moral clarity is something which would obviously escape you."

And you, Ivan Iknowsomuchavich, are so obviously up your own arse that you have ceased to use the one great pumping organ that might distinguish you from a chimp. Moral clarity is a claim, not a reality. Your moral clarity might have some resonance with - what? 10% of the world - the other 90% will not see it as moral clarity, rather than a political and economic agenda. Do you understand what I am saying?

"Blair, and I dislike him intensely was right - there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of attack on the WTC."

So we are agreed on something.

"To somehow suggest America is to blame and that they have been anything less than thoughtful and careful in their response, as well as appropriately forceful, is so much pro-terrorist pig swill."

Again, you parrot Dubya's line. You really cannot accept that any aspect of American policy over X years might have in any way helped bring about the WTC attack? I imagine that you see few grey areas in your life.

You can slag my views as much as you care to, and add in all the insults that you claim are the sign of a bad temper or a losing argument, but the bottom line is this: If, after America has attacked and probably bombed to perdition - perhaps with nuclear weapons - a number of states it considers to be harbouring terrorists, and that could by American definitions include most countries outside America, then at the end of the billions of dollars spent, thousands of lives lost and thousands more displaced, is it likely that anti-American sentiment (the root cause, I believe) still remains, then what will have changed, other than the axis of American interests and influence?

Perhaps in your headlong rush to another war, you might stop to think about that.

"You are an embarassment to our country and thank God, in a tiny minority."

No, you sad git, you have forsaken the enlightened self interest that has characterised British policy on and off throughout centuries for a dogmatic and unyielding viewpoint. YOU are the embarassment, and I do not worry about the ability of most people to see through your simplistic and childish view of the world. Even cowboy movies nowadays are filmed in colour and contain ambiguity. What a shame you cannot move on from the 1950s.

133 posted on 02/22/2002 2:54:41 PM PST by TrueBrit
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To: TrueBrit
You really cannot accept that any aspect of American policy over X years might have in any way helped bring about the WTC attack?

By this statement you prove you are an utter moron, that or you really do not understand the enemy. The Islamic world hates us for WHAT WE ARE - the fact that we don't force women to wear the veil, the fact that we don't bow to Mecca, the fact that we eat pork, watch MTV, and so on and so forth. Admittedly this contempt is sometimes better veiled than others. Two societies with such markedly different approaches to life are bound to come into conflict but the tension exists. Furthermore, the enemy has a religious incentive to "slay the infidel". Read up on Osama. Listen. Learn. You'll find that the first people they'll put up against the wall are whingeing lefties like you and the Guardian editorial staff.

Discussion is not possible with people who believe that they are commanded by God to act in such a manner. It is a matter of survival. You can either help in this or get out of the way of the people who are basically trying to save your sorry arse too.

Ivan
135 posted on 02/23/2002 6:05:34 AM PST by MadIvan
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