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I wonder how many people under thirty even know the Pioneers are still out there?
1 posted on 02/09/2002 6:34:49 PM PST by blam
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Is there a link to the actual article available? Thanks.
48 posted on 02/09/2002 7:31:33 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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JESUS is coming and he aint happy
49 posted on 02/09/2002 7:32:51 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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Global warming?
52 posted on 02/09/2002 7:35:51 PM PST by Kermit
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Great article, blam! I knew I logged on for some reason tonight. I look forward to following this anomaly closely. Here's some older info from Pioneer's Mission Status page:
ANOMALOUS GRAVITATIONAL FORCE? A discussion of this phenomenon appears in the 4 October 1999 issue of Newsweek magazine (See also the December 1998 issue of Scientific American.) The mystery of the tiny unexplained acceleration towards the sun in the motion of the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11 and Ulysses spacecraft remains unexplained. A team of planetary scientists and physicists led by John Anderson (Pioneer 10 Principal Investigator for Celestial Mechanics) has identified a tiny unexplained acceleration towards the sun in the motion of the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, and Ulysses spacecraft. The anomalous acceleration - about 10 billion times smaller than the acceleration we feel from Earth's gravitational pull - was identified after detailed analyses of radio data from the spacecraft. A variety of possible causes were considered including: perturbations from the gravitational attraction of planets and smaller bodies in the solar system; radiation pressure, the tiny transfer of momentum when photons impact the spacecraft; general relativity; interactions between the solar wind and the spacecraft; possible corruption to the radio Doppler data; wobbles and other changes in Earth's rotation; outgassing or thermal radiation from the spacecraft; and the possible influence of non-ordinary or dark matter. After exhausting the list of explanations deemed most plausible, the researchers examined possible modification to the force of gravity as explained by Newton's law with the sun being the dominant gravitational force. "Clearly, more analysis, observation, and theoretical work are called for," the researchers concluded. The scientists expect the explanation when found will involve conventional physics.

Pioneer 10 will continue into interstellar space, heading generally for the red star Aldebaran, which forms the eye of Taurus (The Bull). Aldebaran is about 68 light years away and it will take Pioneer over 2 million years to reach it.


53 posted on 02/09/2002 7:38:29 PM PST by callisto
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The last time I remember reading about the Pioneer and Voyager probes, scientists were puzzled by them because they appeared to be speeding up. Apparently, some unknown force was causing these spacecraft to speed up. Now we hear there is an unknown force slowing them down. I wish these people would get there story straight.
55 posted on 02/09/2002 7:40:39 PM PST by StormEye
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Spandex.
60 posted on 02/09/2002 7:49:37 PM PST by elephantlips
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The fact that the know-it-alls and academicians don't quite know everything sticks in their craws, in a big way.

Heck, it could be something like time-dilation affecting the instruments or just the awful cold of deep space throwing the computer out of whack. They don't have radar bouncing off this little gizmo, they just try to triangulate on it with radio dishes. They find an error in it's calculated position so tiny it amounts to 6 mph in a century, so it's out of position by a couple thousand miles or less, out of a billion and a half! Their radio dishes might be in error by that much...

Whatever is causing it, a little humble pie is good for these guys.

70 posted on 02/09/2002 8:01:39 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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...more than seven billion miles from Earth.

I don't know.
I always had a gut feel that calculations which relied on the speed of light or square of the distance worked fine while we were able only to apply them to terrestrial situations. Now that we're getting into bigger numbers, maybe we'll discover it's really only .99999999999 times the square of the distance.

73 posted on 02/09/2002 8:07:15 PM PST by LantzALot
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The same mysterious force exists here on earth; I am proof of that. No matter how far I go, what bar I explore, or how 'non-functional' I get... a mysterious force pulls me back to my bed.

I need to conduct further experiments to fully validate this force. Cheers!!!!

74 posted on 02/09/2002 8:08:21 PM PST by VetoBill
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--my completely unsubstantiated guess is non-precise calculations, bad data by a small degree, leading to erroneous conclusions.

second guess, totally different. correct conclusions, reason for slow down is from the presence of onboard radio transmitters, the propogation itself, they are somehow tied in with gravity.

/layman's guesses

85 posted on 02/09/2002 8:28:39 PM PST by zog
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Should Pioneer 10 make contact with alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a bottle".

plus a message from Nazi-turned-U.N. General Secretary Kurt Waldheim ... almost like saying "hello aliens, we are an evil planet of Nazis ... please come destroy us with your ray-beams ..." ... oops on that one ...
87 posted on 02/09/2002 8:30:50 PM PST by Bobby777
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Hmmm. 6 mph per century? A force one ten billionth of gravity? That's 10 decimal places.

I sincerely doubt that any physicist or astronomer knows the exact value of the gravitational constant out to 10 decimal places.

They also don't know the exact mass of the spacecraft - there may be residual fuel onboard that wasn't used but isn't accounted for in the mass calculation.

92 posted on 02/09/2002 8:53:26 PM PST by RandyRep
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We've had to explain how the universe works using "dark matter", WIMPS, MACHOs, and so on.

Maybe there is something subtle we don't know yet about light, gravity, and space. This is exciting news, we may be on the brink of a new understanding of where we live.

This data will have to be watched for a long while! Perhaps a deep space interferometry experiment or long paseline ring laser gyro would shed some (delayed) light on the "matter".

93 posted on 02/09/2002 8:55:00 PM PST by DBrow
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They are hitting dust, scattered molecules, and other particles.
97 posted on 02/09/2002 9:02:45 PM PST by RLK
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Dark Matter in the Universe

As much as 90 percent of the matter in the universe
is invisible. Detecting this dark matter will help astronomers
better comprehend the universe's destiny

"Based on 50 years of accumulated observations of the motions of galaxies and the expansion of the universe, most astronomers believe that as much as 90 percent of the stuff constituting the universe may be objects or particles that cannot be seen. In other words, most of the universe's matter does not radiate--it provides no glow that we can detect in the electromagnetic spectrum.

"First posited some 60 years ago by astronomer Fritz Zwicky, this so-called missing matter was believed to reside within clusters of galaxies. Nowadays we prefer to call the missing mass 'dark matter,' for it is the light, not the matter, that is missing."

Perhaps the answer to that mysterious force lies HERE.

99 posted on 02/09/2002 9:05:29 PM PST by henbane
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Maybe it is the gravitational pull of bubbas big ass head.
100 posted on 02/09/2002 9:12:08 PM PST by satchmodog9
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Pioneer 10 is moving in the opposite direction to the Sun's motion through the galaxy, the solar apex direction. The motion of the heliospheric boundary through the local interstellar medium may cause a bow wave upstream of the heliopause and a tail downstream. The flow of subatomic particles making up the solar wind is expected to undergo a shock transition from supersonic to subsonic before reaching the heliopause. This shock is called the solar-wind termination shock. Here termination refers to the end of supersonic flow and not the end of the solar wind, which occurs at the heliopause. Prior to Pioneers 10 and 11, the effect of the solar wind was thought to extend to the vicinity of Jupiter or perhaps a bit farther. The Pioneer scientists now predict the distance from the Sun at which the terminal shock may be encountered is from 60 to 100 astronomical units (AU) or more, where an AU is defined as the distance of the Earth from the sun ~ 150 million kilometers (~93,000 million miles). For reference, the distance to the outermost planet is ~ 40 AU's.

My best guess is that the winds have changed from NW and are now Southerly winds at 15 (bunch of zeros) to 20 (many more zeros) mph creating the drag.

102 posted on 02/09/2002 9:58:28 PM PST by AmerRepb
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Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made by man - a distinction now held by Voyager 1.

How did Voyager get farther out? Was it launched at a higher rate of speed, or did Pioneer 10 spend more time orbiting planets, or what?

107 posted on 02/09/2002 11:02:58 PM PST by Timesink
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Last May on FreeRepublic I put forth this hypothesis about the deceleration of the probes. I threw it around the physics department here, and everyone I talked to thought it was a likely answer. I wanted (and still want!) to write a paper with the full explanation, but first I need to get accurate position data for the probes, which I've so far been unable to obtain.
117 posted on 02/10/2002 5:01:12 AM PST by Physicist
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Could it be that light particles (photons) are hitting the probes and slowing them down?

Well, duh (as the old joke goes), if that's the case - go at night.

120 posted on 02/10/2002 5:58:19 AM PST by 4CJ
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