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RUSSIANS TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE RIGHT FOR SELF-DEFENSE
pravda ^ | 14:25 2002-02-08 | Vasily Bubnov, Translated by Maria Gousseva

Posted on 02/08/2002 7:18:50 AM PST by g'nad

14:25 2002-02-08

RUSSIANS TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE RIGHT FOR SELF-DEFENSE

On Friday the State Duma passed amendments to the Criminal Code that are to increase the rights of the Russians for self-defense. For example, a new norm has appeared: “if an attack has posed a threat to the life, the harm to the assailant can not be treated as a crime.”

Earlier the Criminal Code contained a norm on inadmissibility of excessive self-defense. It is clear that if an assailant was murdered or injured, the man who defended his life was to be made answerable for the action. In accordance with the former Criminal Code it was rather complicated to prove that self-defense did not exceed the norm. And it seemed that the life was made simpler for criminals and more complicated for law-abiding citizens. The only thing to hope for then was to expect that the life would be preserved. 365 deputies voted for the amendments to the Code, one deputy abstained from voting, none of the deputies voted against the amendments. The crime rate has considerably increased in Russia, and law enforcement authorities fail to cope with it. The passing of the amendments means, the government, probably rather unwillingly, has to shift the defense of lives on the people themselves.

The social status is not a protection from assaults nowadays – the rich and the poor suffer equally. But the first have more chances for attraction of the public attention and for their own protection.

The confusion in the society and lack of faith in the ability of the authorities to restrain waves of crime make some people ask for restoration of capital punishment. Opponents of the capital punishment restoration say, those countries that practice capital punishment do not observe reduction of the crime rate. But the objections do not seem to be rather convincing for Russia.

Vasily Bubnov
PRAVDA.Ru

Translated by Maria Gousseva


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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The passing of the amendments means, the government, probably rather unwillingly, has to shift the defense of lives on the people themselves.

Oh the horror, the horror!... Yuri, where's my Tokarev?...

And it seemed that the life was made simpler for criminals and more complicated for law-abiding citizens.

Does this sound familiar?

1 posted on 02/08/2002 7:18:51 AM PST by g'nad
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To: bang_list
Russian bang...
2 posted on 02/08/2002 7:19:37 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Who would have thought that Russia would evolve into a land of the free? Maybe the Pope will live to see the day Russians return to church.
3 posted on 02/08/2002 7:24:57 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: Wm Bach
Now if we could just get similar laws passed in Massachusettes, New York (city), Kalifornia, and Illinois we might be making some progress inthe USA.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

4 posted on 02/08/2002 7:31:16 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
Massachussetts will remain damned until all the rapidly aging hippies die off. Maybe in 30 years or so, that old, staid Yankee common sense will return.

Go Patriots!

5 posted on 02/08/2002 7:36:39 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: g'nad
First, Russia moves towards space capitalism, while the US opposes it. Now, Russia is passing its own Second Amendment while we're busy destroying ours. What's next, a Russian Free Republic?
6 posted on 02/08/2002 7:56:53 AM PST by billybudd
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To: billybudd
Quite a few years ago I said that it might be possible that in the future, Russians would have more freedom than people in the U.S., and that they might be giving aid to another american revolution to restore the Constitution. It seems more likely to me all the time...
7 posted on 02/08/2002 8:01:40 AM PST by marktwain
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To: g'nad
Very much a different society. We may talk about gun rights and things and not know it may help arm an underling to rob or take out a true leader of the people. It's a difficult balancing. We are intrinsicly(sp) tied to the Russian people and nothing is to be taken so lightly.
8 posted on 02/08/2002 8:03:33 AM PST by nettlsome
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To: g'nad
Opponents of the capital punishment restoration say, those countries that practice capital punishment do not observe reduction of the crime rate. But the objections do not seem to be rather convincing for Russia.

Capital punishment is intended to punish. If it also brings a reduction in crime, that's just an extra bonus. But reduced crime rates, or criminal rehabilitation, should never be assumed to be the primary purpose of law enforcement.

9 posted on 02/08/2002 8:29:27 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: g'nad
RUSSIANS TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE RIGHT FOR SELF-DEFENSE

If the Russian government is providing the right, it is not a right, but a priviledge. Rights are pre-exsisting, and are not granted by the government.

10 posted on 02/08/2002 8:35:26 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Wm Bach
Um, number one, we are not Catholics, so the Archbishop of Rome matters little to us, secondly, Russia is one of the most religious Christian ORTHODOX countries in the world.
12 posted on 02/08/2002 10:59:47 AM PST by Stavka2
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I didn't say return to the Roman church, I just said church in general. The pope has a desire to see a Christian Russia before he dies, rather than an a predominantly athiest one (buy, yeah if they come back to RC churches, he'd like it even better). The orthodoxy's of the East and West can haggle over the differences later.

Some statistics are available here:

Anatoly Rudenko, president of the Russian Bible Society, in an interview with the editor of the East-West Church & Ministry Report, 6 June 1997, maintained that the number of practicing Christians of all confessions in Russia today is no more than two percent, and probably closer to one percent. If this is the case, Russia has far fewer believers than is generally assumed. In contrast to Rudenko's estimate of 1.7 to 3.3 million practicing Christians, Russian Orthodoxy alone routinely claims 50 to 60 million faithful (33 to 40 percent of the population)....

The disparity between Rudenko's estimate and the dramatically larger figures normally cited may be explained, in large part, by divergent understandings of what constitutes a believer. For example, research by Dimitri Furman reported in Izvestiia revealed that 50 percent of Russians surveyed identified themselves as believers, but less than two percent of these respondents attended church regularly, prayed, or believed in God as a personality. Furthermore, six times more respondents said they attend church regularly than do in reality...

A June 1996 Russian pre-election poll indicated that believers (50 percent of respondents) were far more often nonobservant (37.3 percent) than observant (12.7 percent). And corporate worship was strikingly erratic even among self-described observant believers: 10 percent answered once a week; 13 percent answered once a month; and 55 percent of self-described observant believers answered on religious holidays and on family occasions. Of the 50 percent of respondents who identified themselves as believers, 83 percent considered themselves to be Orthodox (Susan Goodrich Lehmann, "Religious Revival in Russia: Significant or Superficial?," paper presented at the Kennan Institute for Advanced Russian Studies, Washington DC, 21 October 1996).

Interesting anyway.

13 posted on 02/08/2002 11:24:43 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: billybudd
There are lots of Russians freepers. The ones I've run into have been mostly scientists. They're an intelligent group of thoughtful freedom loving people. They "get it." Russian and American freepers share many of the same problems with their fellow liberal citizens.

. And it seemed that the life was made simpler for criminals and more complicated for law-abiding citizens.

14 posted on 02/08/2002 11:37:35 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: g'nad
The Bill of Rights is arriving in Moscow.
15 posted on 02/08/2002 11:40:41 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: g'nad;Dan from Michigan
For example, a new norm has appeared: “if an attack has posed a threat to the life, the harm to the assailant can not be treated as a crime.”

Woohoo! Now, if they can get shall-issue CCW...

16 posted on 02/08/2002 11:51:31 AM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: harpseal
Our Constitution has been an inspiration to countless peoples all over the world, from France to China to Russia. Only the A*&hole liberals in America can't seem to appreciate it's brilliance.
17 posted on 02/08/2002 11:53:36 AM PST by Attillathehon
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To: Attillathehon
Unless we return to Constitutional Government relatively quickly there will be a disater of unimagined proportions. That is the unfortunate fact of the matter.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown

18 posted on 02/08/2002 12:07:56 PM PST by harpseal
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To: Wm Bach
Obviously you've never been to Russia where on Sunday the numerous churchs (all the old ones are being rebuilt and new ones are constantly spreading) are packed. All my friends and relatives are at least baptised if not actively praciticing and most are. There is also a shortage of priests because of the high demand. The man is just trying to suck money out of protestants, that's all. Go to Russia some time and see. Even under the communists the number of practicing (mostly in private) was much higher then 10%.
19 posted on 02/08/2002 4:54:23 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: g'nad
A revolution every once in a while is a good thing.
20 posted on 02/08/2002 5:30:21 PM PST by connectthedots
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