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To: Ahban
To my evo buddies: But isn't this still a case of pre-existing genes being turned OFF?

Take a look at that mosquito article I mentioned. It talks about two new genes, B1 & B2, which they didn't even have before 1984. Then the new pesticide resistant mosquitos have since duplicated them, "as many as 250 copies of the B1 allele and 60 copies of B2."

It'd be interesting to trace the study back from The Beak of the Finch (where Lindsay got the reference) & see if it's true that mosquitos didn't even have B1 & B2 before 1984. But even if they had, the duplications themselves represent an increase in information! You need a few more bits to specify that the B1 & B2 genes are duplicated instead of there being just a single copy of each.

71 posted on 02/08/2002 5:38:48 PM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp
Thanks for the info. I will have to look at the long article a little later. Still, the mosquito snippet may be more germane. It speaks of something that DID happen in an obsevable time frame, as oppossed to what MAY have happened.

I think I am going to have to insist on a higher standard of proof than, "If we can imagine how it might of happened then you must accept that it DID happen." The imagination often leaves out many obstacles, as any Star Trek episode will demonstrate!

Like yourself, I wonder if the claim is true that no mosquito had the gene prior to 1984. IF true, that is HUGE. You evos should be all over that. What is much, much, more likely is that very few or no mosquitos had been tested for that gene prior to 1984. It was in the population, sort of like genes for red hair in human population. It had not been discoverd, but it was present.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, unless you folks can show otherwise to the same standard of evidence that is required of cold fusion or any other kind of science except evolution.

82 posted on 02/09/2002 6:15:08 AM PST by Ahban
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