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TERRORISM: Attempt to Seize Nuclear Submarine
StrategyPage.com ^ | February 7, 2002 | Adam Geibel

Posted on 02/07/2002 9:06:38 AM PST by Spar

TERRORISM: Attempt to Seize Nuclear Submarine

February 7, 2002; The Kremlin claims that the personal file of the first president of Chechnya, Dzhokhar Dudayev, found in the course of a special operation in the villages of Novye and Starye Atagi, Chechnya, revealed a plan to seize a Russian nuclear-powered submarine in 1995-1996. Russian NTV reported on 4 February 2002 that seven people of Slavic descent were expected to participate.

In addition to his personal mobile phone and several radio stations, photos of Dzhokhar Dudayev, his personal military file (purloined from his military unit) and his personal stamps were found (along with illegal firearms) in a house populated by refugees.

The Chechen rebels have long been known to have an interest in Russian nuclear submarines, if only for propaganda purposes. Shortly after the Kursk sank on 12 August 2000 in the Arctic Barents Sea with 118 crew on board, the pro-Chechen "Kavkaz" web-site claimed that rebels were responsible for the vessel's destruction.

Kavkaz wrote that "a member of the crew made contact with the rebel high command through a close friend from Dagestan in [June 2000]. He made clear his desire to help the Muslims of Chechnya and Dagestan in their struggle against the Russian empire.

"The sailor said he had access to top secret naval equipment and could sink [the submarine] if he got the chance. He emphasized that he was willing to die for Allah in order to help his Islamic brothers who were fighting against a common enemy."

Everyone wanted in on the Chechen conspiracy theory. Dmytro Korchynskyy, head of the nationalist Ukrainian Political Association "Brotherhood", claimed that two explosive devices (equivalent to 800 grams of TNT) were planted during repair work, that "people close to [Chechen field commander] Ruslan Gelaev" were responsible and that the Chechens paid only $6,000 to a repair team member to plant the explosive devices.

Korchynski also claimed that Russia's Federal Security Service ignored a warning two weeks before the "Kursk" tragedy, since the informer was from less-than-trusted Chechen interim administration head Akhmed Kadyrov's entourage.

Two Dagestanis were on board the Kursk - Mamed Gadzhiev (a civilian specialist from the Makhachkala firm Dagdizel reportedly on board to test a new torpedo propulsion system) and First Lieutenant Arnold Borisov. Both were cleared, as the Kursk tragedy was related to a problem with a misfiriing torpedo that set off the fatal second blast.

At the end of January 2002, Colonel of Justice Artur Yegiyev told the Moscow Rossiyskaya Gazeta that the investigation failed to yield any information that would allow the Russians to say an act of terror or sabotage had been committed.

Meanwhile, General Yury Baluyevsky, first deputy chief of Russia's General Staff, told a 2-3 February 2002 weekend edition of the Tribuna newspaper that the Kremlin's priority was being given to sea-launched rather than land-based Topol-M ballistic missiles. With a range greater than 10,000 km (6,250 miles), the Topol-Ms were designed to defeat the same sort of missile defense systems that the United States is now planning to build.

While this is a significant shift in missile strategy, it is probably spurred more by budget constraints than anything else. Dwindling funds leave the Kremlin with an "either or" choice between land and sea-based (which are harder to detect) systems. - Adam Geibel


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To: vannrox
Thanks vann, like I don't have enough to worry about already.
21 posted on 02/07/2002 11:56:43 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Asclepius; vannrox
Doubtless Dudayev wanted to use the vessel to patrol the Chechnyan coastline, protect Chechnyan shipping, escort Chechnyan aircraft carrier battle groups, that sort of thing.

From what my old ROTC friend told me, the best use of a Russian nuclear submarine is getting a tan.

Q: How do you know when a Russian Sub Crew is back from a patrol?

A: They all have deep tans from laying out in the engine room.

Shalom.

22 posted on 02/07/2002 12:12:45 PM PST by ArGee
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To: Poohbah
SSN-666

Who the Heck designated this number??????????
23 posted on 02/07/2002 12:18:45 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: LoneGOPinCT
What a great idea. Al Quaeda steals a sub and blows themselves to hell in the South China Sea. I would pay money to see that.
24 posted on 02/07/2002 12:27:06 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: RussianBear716
"And if the Chechens seized a Russian nuclear sub, they'd use the missiles on Moscow not the US, so where exactly is the downside??"

Well, other than the loss of millions of innocent lives and the loss of the major regional obstacle to radical islam, all I can think of is the minor matter of the bastards sitting there with their still-operational sub, asking "how long would it take for us to aim the remaining rockets at the USA?"

25 posted on 02/07/2002 12:33:02 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: cmsgop
She's the 666th submarine hull approved by Congress, hence the number.

There's a writer named Michael DiMercurio who had a sense of humor in his submarine novels--SSN-666 became the USS Devilfish. Voyage of the Devilfish is one of the best nuclear submarine novels ever written.

26 posted on 02/07/2002 12:35:14 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Spar; vannrox; 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; Zad; OKCSubmariner
But they don't need to steal anything. I saw the Colombian television report (we get Colombian news daily in Miami) last year that showed the submarine the Colombian and Russian mafia (the blueprints were all in Russian) were building inside a building up in the mountains for the purposes of transporting drugs. I've been up in the mountains of Colombia in the 80s when there were Castro's Cubans working with the Colombian guerrillas. It's a no man's land now and I'm sure it is populated with many Islamic terrorists, as is Cuba. What they aren't stealing, they are building.
27 posted on 02/07/2002 12:35:39 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Don Joe
What would actually happen is that the guy holding the garage handy-light would say, "Selim, don't mess with the green wire...Selim, leave the green wire alone...SELIM, DON'T MESS WITH THAT GREEN WIRE YOU CAMEL-FORNICAT--"

(A tremendously loud explosion is heard.)

28 posted on 02/07/2002 12:40:58 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
I'll pick it up........Thanks Poohbah!
29 posted on 02/07/2002 12:44:51 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Poohbah
You forgot the "Selim! For the love of Muhammed (PBUH), leave that *$&&#@ing wire***BOOOOOOOOOM***" part out. :)
30 posted on 02/07/2002 12:47:08 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: vannrox
Thanks for the heads up!
31 posted on 02/07/2002 1:09:46 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Don Joe
Naw, that's the form used when the dweeb screwing with the wire is named Achmed :o)
32 posted on 02/07/2002 1:32:12 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: vannrox
Thanks for the ping. What happened to the sub?
33 posted on 02/07/2002 2:02:41 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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To: vannrox
I guess they got the Irani submarine through downtown Portland into the locks at Oregon City by cleverly sailing the boat directly under one of the tugboats, huh?

How deep is that channel, anyway...???

34 posted on 02/07/2002 2:09:47 PM PST by okie01
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To: illbenice

WORKING LINK



Here is the link to the mainsite http://terroristwatch.tripod.com/ . The article in question is 2/3 of the way down this page.


There is the picture that I was trying to link to, as well as the secondary text that I referred to located on this page.

MORE INFORMATION...


35 posted on 02/07/2002 2:49:04 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox

For sale, cheap.
36 posted on 02/07/2002 3:27:25 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: vannrox
You mind telling me how they got a Kilo-class boat--with a 20-foot or so draft--into a channel that's down to 6 or 7 feet at some points? And did so SUBMERGED?
37 posted on 02/07/2002 3:37:30 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Spar
Significantly, sea-based missiles are "almost" impossible to steal/remove the warhead from undetected....and are much, much easier to defend.

Land-based systems are much easier to attack. By outsiders (inbound missiles) and by insiders (guards, sabotuers, insurgents/militias, and inside agents.)

Of course, sea-based missiles are also harder for US to defend against as well ..... since they can come from any direction, it makes a land-based anti-missile system harder to develope.

And the liberals think the missile defense is a pipe dream ..... Shows here that the Russians are afraid of it!

38 posted on 02/07/2002 6:35:49 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: vannrox
So, what happened to the Iranian sub that supposedly came to Oregon with nukes? And if the destination was going to be NYC and Washington, D.C., how were they going to get there from Oregon?

Are you sure it wasn't one of ours?

39 posted on 02/07/2002 7:11:44 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Spar
bump
40 posted on 02/07/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by FReethesheeples
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