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Folks, while it's really a lot of fun - and healthy, IMO - to have discussions such as this one, the fact of the matter is that we're at a point in America's history where some scary things are taking place.

Let me sum a few of them up -

1) We were attacked

2) Almost immediately, things were put in place, into law, which had, in fact, been sitting on the shelf for several years because the powers that be knew they wouldn't be accepted a) The PATRIOT Act - which wasn't even available to be read before the vote in Congress. It was passed, without reading it, and it decimates several important parts of the Bill of Rights. Do we realize the HUGENESS of the fact that a bill was passed - without "our" congressthings even reading it??? - that removes basic liberties guaranteed by our Constitution?

b) The Office of Homeland Security was instituted - it had been created during the Clinton era, but it was just sitting and waiting. Bush didn't mention that it was a Clinton creation - he just implemented it as his own.

c) Now we have the Attorney General of the United States saying that if people are concerned about losing freedoms because of what "our" government is doing, they're aiding the terrorists.

My God, people - how can you see these events, in that order, and not be scared to death about what's happening to your country?