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To: PatrickHenry
Every document with a date is a religious document?

Of course not. The Constitution is about religious as a roadmap or a blueprint. The Framers left the matter of religion to the State governments. I was simply replying in a sardonic way totoddhisattva's over-assertion that God isn't in the Constitution and that it is an 'atheist' document, as if it were the product of atheists. But I don't think atheists would have been caught dead dating a Constitution document "in the year of our Lord", or "ordaining" it, or referring therein to "blessings", or "Sundays excepted".

The point is that the Constitution took root in the religious/cultural/polital millieu of the time, a time in which outspoken atheists in the colonies were few and far between. The religious underpinnings of American political and legal institutions have been written about extensively by legal scholars and historians. It's just a fact that church governments, although not exclusively so, provided models for colonial civil governments and also for our constitutional system.

Cordially,

305 posted on 02/06/2002 10:23:57 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Diamond
I think he meant "atheist" as in without (a) God (theist). It does not imply an disbelief in God so much as a lack of reference to the Almighty.
309 posted on 02/06/2002 11:13:14 AM PST by Junior
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To: Diamond
The religious underpinnings of American political and legal institutions have been written about extensively by legal scholars and historians.

Yes, and sometimes a bit too enthusiastically. Article VI of the Constitution, for example, states:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation [that is, a religious or a non-religious oath], to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
It's entirely clear that the Framers intended to create a secular [but clearly not atheist] government. The document is unambiguous on this, as are the writings of the Framers. The ideas for the institution they created came from many sources, and among the most important were the state governments and the state constitutions which were drafted after the Revolution.
314 posted on 02/06/2002 11:22:33 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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