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Judge Rules In Favor Of Wilson In Civil Rights Commission Case
CNSNews.com ^ | 2/04/02 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 02/04/2002 11:41:47 AM PST by kattracks

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To: Congressman Billybob
I think you will find that the judge reasoned that Clinton did not have the authority to make an appointment of a period of time less than the full term, no matter what he wrote. According to the law that would be a proper interpretation.

The reasoning error you are making is that the president can change the law by appointing someone for a lesser or greater term when the statute doesn't give him that authority. For your interpretation to work the statute would have to give the president discretion over the period of time for the appointment which the instant case does not.

Face it. Congress screwed up. Either we remedy screw ups legislatively or we let activist judges decide what was meant. I happen to be in the camp that says we must go with the law as written.

161 posted on 02/05/2002 11:15:27 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Frohickey
"Where do they get these judges that don't know how to read?"

Oooh, that's easy! Dimocrat presidents appoint them!

162 posted on 02/05/2002 11:33:32 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Judith Anne
Can't President Bush request a judge to resign? Or create new federal benches that he can pack?

He can ask, but he can't do anything to a judge that says no. Under the Constitution, once judges are appointed, their pay cannot be cut. The idea to to separate judges from influence by the Executive branch. Indeed, the idea is so strong that it is highly unlikely that the Executive ever would ask for a judge to resign. This is a good thing--if you were a criminal defendant, would you want the Justice Department, which is prosecuting you, to be able to fire your judge?

Federal judgeships are created by law, so Congeress would have to agree to create more slots. Then, Bush's nominations would have to be confirmed by the Senate.

163 posted on 02/05/2002 11:48:27 AM PST by the bottle let me down
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To: VRWC_minion
Except as inconsistent with this chapter, and until modified by the Commission, the rules of the Commission on Civil Rights in effect on September 30, 1994 shall be the initial rules of the Commission.

This is from the statute itself. It appears to grandfather in the procedures from the original act.

I don't, however, agree with BillyBob that the agent/principal relationship matters here. Though I'm no expert, I can't see how an appointee to a panel could be anybody's agent.

164 posted on 02/05/2002 11:54:04 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: big gray tabby
I am going from memory about one month old but I think what you are referencing doesn't apply to the recess appointments. Could you post the entire section ?
165 posted on 02/05/2002 12:21:11 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: the bottle let me down
Thanks for the information, I figured it was something like that...and I agree, it is a good thing, but how did we get all these LIBERAL judges?
166 posted on 02/05/2002 1:05:47 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: VRWC_minion
My article, which should go on the UPI wire tomorrow, fully addresses your point.

If Clinton had no power to make an appointment to fill the remainder of a term (a power that is routinely used for hundreds of federal boards and commissions when people resign, die, or go to jail), then the appointment was invalid and Wilson should be kicked off the Commission immediately and ordered to refund all salary she received.

Your objection proves too much, as they say.

Just as I say, this decision by Judge Kessler WILL be reversed. You might find it instructive to compare the final decision with the three clear reasons I wrote for the reversal, in my article.

Congressman Billybob

167 posted on 02/05/2002 5:14:07 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Good idea but I don't think the courts would kick anyone off and I doubt the date Clinton put on it will hold any weight with any court opinion.

This will be decided by a judge either using legislative intent as his yardstick or strict construction. If legislative intent is looked at it gets real murky in this case because it can set bad precedent for other cases.

Because this will ultimately hinge on the types of judicial styles for applying law in this case and will be to a large degree a judgement call I believe that the odd's are against Bush prevailing. We know what the liberal judge will do, but the conservative judge is going to have a real problem ruling for Bush because he needs to write law where there is none.

As for using Clinton's letter to appoint, I just dont' see what legal basis the courts have to rely on his interpretation of the law. Its not a presidents call to make.

168 posted on 02/05/2002 6:41:45 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Congressman Billybob
What I couldn't believe is that it took her all this time just to make a 20 min oral ruling from the bench?
169 posted on 02/05/2002 6:46:21 PM PST by marajade
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To: Congressman Billybob
One more thing regarding

term (a power that is routinely used for hundreds of federal boards and commissions when people resign, die, or go to jail),

Everyone of those apppointments your mention have explicit language regarding vacancy appointments, this one does not.


Tell you what. I will contribute $25.00 to FR if Bush's posistion gets upheld.
170 posted on 02/05/2002 6:46:22 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I used to work for a board. Granted it is a state health care licensing board but I think they all work the same and use the same language. We would appoint members to fill the remainder of a term. The judge will be overturned.
171 posted on 02/05/2002 6:56:40 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
What did your bylaws say ? The one I am on provides for vacancy appointments to be for remainder of term. There is a reason it is written. The language of this statute and other boards in the civil rights area give explicit instructions that limit a vacancy appointment to the original term.

If its so important for both public and private agencies to have the wording that limits a vacancy appointment then its obvious that absent such limitation the only appointment that can be made is for a full term.

172 posted on 02/05/2002 7:01:18 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I can't believe that almost every state and federal commission and board have one statute that is similar and the civil rights commission has a completely different one? There is no way a judge can rule that a term last longer than when the executive appoints them for. She was specifically given an expiration date by Clinton was she not? This case will be overturned.
173 posted on 02/05/2002 7:04:46 PM PST by marajade
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To: VRWC_minion
Your assumption that all fill-the-term appointments are explicitly authorized, is wrong. So is your conclusion. The legislative history shows no intent by Congress to end that well-known practice.

QED: Bush prevails. You're wrong.

There are other reasons as well. Read my article. Observe and learn.

Billybob

174 posted on 02/05/2002 7:51:05 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Twins613
Nope..:)
175 posted on 02/05/2002 9:20:06 PM PST by JD86
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To: Congressman Billybob
I believe the decision will be overturned. Judges can be impeached or recalled, can they not? I'm sure this judge had an out. I won a lawsuit once, where the law clearly stated that I was to receive damages. I appealed the case all the way to the Clinton general counsel in Washington and won the case but never received any damages because "it wasn't policy." Now that one's for the law books.

Oh, I forgot to mention the general counsel just happened to be reviewing his own decision, because it just so happens that Bill appointed to the GC the same individual who had made the decision at the regional level two years earlier. It took Clinton nearly two years to fill the post starting in 1993 and my case sat around until the post was filled. Yes a judge can review his own decision if he gets bumped up the ladder. BTW that is how the govt works. It don't.

176 posted on 02/06/2002 12:13:27 AM PST by The Bolt
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To: VRWC_minion
This is the statute. Page forward three pages until you see "Rules."

I think it's pretty much referring to administrative functions, but it does appear to grandfather in the provisions of the previous statute, indicating intent.

This is my first attempt to make a link. Be gentle.

177 posted on 02/06/2002 4:22:51 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: big gray tabby

Sec. 1975. - Establishment of Commission

(a) Generally

There is established the United States Commission on Civil Rights (hereinafter in this chapter referred to as the ''Commission'').

(b) Membership

The Commission shall be composed of 8 members. Not more than 4 of the members shall at any one time be of the same political party. The initial membership of the Commission shall be the members of the United States Commission on Civil Rights on September 30, 1994. Thereafter vacancies in the membership of the Commission shall continue to be appointed as follows:

(1)

4 members of the Commission shall be appointed by the President.

(2)

2 members of the Commission shall be appointed by the President pro tempore of the Senate, upon the recommendations of the majority leader and the minority leader, and of the members appointed not more than one shall be appointed from the same political party.

(3)

2 members of the Commission shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives upon the recommendations of the majority leader and the minority leader, and of the members appointed not more than one shall be appointed from the same political party.

(c) Terms

The term of office of each member of the Commission shall be 6 years. The term of each member of the Commission in the initial membership of the Commission shall expire on the date such term would have expired as of September 30, 1994.

(d) Chairperson

(1)

Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3), the individuals serving as Chairperson and Vice Chairperson of the United States Commission on Civil Rights on September 30, 1994 shall initially fill those roles on the Commission.

(2)

Thereafter the President may, with the concurrence of a majority of the Commission's members, designate a Chairperson or Vice Chairperson, as the case may be, from among the Commission's members.

(3)

The President shall, with the concurrence of a majority of the Commission's members, fill a vacancy by designating a Chairperson or Vice Chairperson, as the case may be, from among the Commission's members.

(4)

The Vice Chairperson shall act in place of the Chairperson in the absence of the Chairperson.

(e) Removal of members

The President may remove a member of the Commission only for neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.

(f)

Quorum 5 members of the Commission constitute a quorum of the Commission

178 posted on 02/06/2002 6:21:57 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Congressman Billybob
The term of office of each member of the Commission shall be 6 years.

What part of SHALL BE isn't understood ?

179 posted on 02/06/2002 6:23:31 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: big gray tabby
The rules wouldn't affect the terms.
180 posted on 02/06/2002 6:25:32 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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