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To: elfman2
Hmm, If I say the obvious but without evidence, it's "only my opinion". If you do the same, it's a fact. {smile}

But it is a FACT that the public doesn't know about the crimes. I don't have to depend on "polls" to support my position. Most of the major mainstream papers (such as the LA Times, NY Times, etc) and mainstream news networks (like CBS, ABC, etc) have not even told the public there were credible allegations that Clinton RAPED a women. They didn't even report that Sid Blumenthal LIED UNDER OATH during questioning in an impeachment trial about LYING UNDER OATH! They mainstream media hasn't reported the Riady non-refund. They've never reported anything about Ron Brown's death other than the FICTION that he died in a plane crash caused by bad weather. NONE of them reported that multiple MILITARY pathologists say he had what appeared to be a bullet wound in the top of his head or that an x-ray of his skull exists seemingly supporting that possibility. And I could go on ALL DAY listing stories that the mainstream press has either not reported at all or have spun in blatently dishonest ways.

most don't want the division that would accompany impeachment style prosecutions.

But if you asked them whether they want the laws enforced for things like MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING they would also OVERWHELMINGLY answer YES. Besides, are we a nation of laws or a nation of pollsters? If polls are all that matter, then lets just dispense with the laws and poll people, real time, for EVERYTHING. And as you well know, the outcome of polls can be affected by what you tell the people. You don't even have to tell them the truth because, after all, the media isn't a court of law. Using POLLS to defend the notion of not enforcing laws against serious criminals at the highest levels of government is pretty lame although I'm sure tyrants would love it.

Bush's real agenda

So just what is Bush's "real" agenda? If he is not willing to enforce laws against democRATS why should I believe his "agenda" includes enforcing laws against republican criminals? In fact, if his "agenda" is so all-fired important, perhaps he will do just what the democRATS did and decide that the ends justify the means ... break laws and cover up those crimes in order to stay in power ... and further his "real" "agenda". Sorry ... NOTHING is more important than enforcing the laws of the land in an EQUAL manner. THAT is the principle on which this country was founded ... the very reason for its existance. NO leader is supposed to be above the law and if Bush condones the breaking of laws by democRATS all he does is set a precedent that ensures more of the same lawbreaking the next time the democRATS get in power ... or even during HIS adminstration or some future Republican's term in office.

Bush didn’t campaign on prosecution of Clinton.

Bush took an oath to uphold the laws of the land and the Constitution. If you can't understand THAT, "I can't do anything about it." Furthermore, this isn't JUST about Clinton. It is about an entire party (the democRATS) whose leadership has gone BAD. Its no longer a party ... its a mafia ... and it is time to clean it up as surely as it is time to do away with the terrorist organizations.

Yea, maybe we should use the model of thousands of "principled progressives" in Florida who sent a message to he DNC and voted Green.

And thank goodness they did because otherwise the democRATS would have STOLEN the election precisely because the GOP did not make their CRIMES the number one election issue.

158 posted on 02/05/2002 11:45:51 AM PST by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
"But it is a FACT that the public doesn't know about the crimes. I don't have to depend on "polls" to support my position."

Yes you do, every bit as much as I do. I gave no evidence because it should be obvious. Neither did you.

"And I could go on ALL DAY listing stories…"

Nope, no one would read it or listen to it. To most people, you sound mentally disturbed, out of control and a total fruit cake. I agree with some of it, and I don’t' even want to listen to those same tired platitudes for the next 3 years.

"But if you asked them whether they want the laws enforced for things like MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING they would also OVERWHELMINGLY answer YES. "

I'm sure the question could be spun to get any answer. Okay simply ask, "Do you want Clinton's alleged crimes of "MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING" aggressively prosecuted in OJ and Impeachment style trials over the next several years at the expense of legislative progress and national reconciliation". That's a fair question, and you know what the answer would be.

"NOTHING is more important than enforcing the laws of the land in an EQUAL manner. THAT is the principle on which this country was founded ... the very reason for its existance.

No, "Freedom, democracy, liberty, separation of powers, and due process" are all of equal importance to enforcing the laws. Sometimes they conflict. Don't make me explain that to you.

NO leader is supposed to be above the law…Bush took an oath to uphold the laws of the land and the Constitution…. It is about an entire party (the democRATS) whose leadership has gone BAD. its a mafia ... and it is time to clean it up as surely as it is time to do away with the terrorist organizations."

I wish that I could make you understand:
- how much I understand exactly what you're thinking. You're telling me noting new.,
- how much I sincerely sympathize with you. I faxed Senators telling them if there wasn't a real trial I'd vote straight Democrat, and to my wife's horror, I followed through with it. And
- how our chance past, and it will never come again. I can educate people about these crimes, and I can laugh about them. But I'm not going to angrily shout at people on public forums driving up my blood pressure. The country's full of people who are unable to differentiate the spin from the reality. Fox news and a popular wartime president aren't enough to counter that.

I'm also a realist, and I see that the nation is not ready to support the prosecution of an ex-chief executive, and that if Bush pushed, it would be the only thing that he "might" accomplish in his one term. But I'm not without hope. I believe that educational reform, little by little, will free the natural curiosity of future generations to transcend the corruption that we failed to defeat.

I've got to get back to work, I'll be able to respond this evening.

159 posted on 02/05/2002 12:49:08 PM PST by elfman2
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