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To: Uncle Bill
Uncle Bill, I don't think that you and I have ever interacted in this forum, I do read your posts with great interests.

I don't want to come across as anything but sincere when I ask you this question.

What crime would you try Bill Clinton for?

131 posted on 02/04/2002 6:55:26 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There are so many I could spend the next three weeks documenting the laws broken and the statutes that apply. I've listed many on FR before. I'm not wasting my time. The president doesn't care about the law. The American people sure don't care, and apparently most freepers don't care.

More Americans than ever believe Bill Clinton broke the law, but most still don’t think it should cost him his job

Cost him his job? How about cost him his freedom!

If perjury is ok, let these folks out of prison RIGHT NOW.

115 American men and women are in jail - forever marked as felons - for having committed perjury in federal courts and before grand juries.

Lying Under Oath as President - 2 times
Lying Under Oath as Governor - 5 times
Lying Under Oath as Attorney General
Lying Under Oath in a Deposition
Lying Under Oath to a Grand Jury
Lying Under Oath as a Lawyer
Abuse of Power
Obstruction of Justice
Deriliction of Duty
Bribe Solicitation
Taking Bribes
Bribery of Cabinent Members
Bribery of State Officials
Treason
Corruption
Coersion
Graft
False Swearing
Malfeasance of Office
Perjury
Subornation of Perjury
Criminal Trespass
Witness Intimidation
Witness Tampering
Jury Tampering
Ethics Violations
Intentional Interference in the Administration of Justice
Misrepresentation
Civil Contempt of Court
Criminal Contempt of Court
Contempt of Congress
Contempt of the American People
High Crimes
Misdemeanors
Deception
False Testimony
Factually False Testimony
Misconduct
Serious Misconduct
Professional Misconduct
Notorious Misconduct
Obstruction of the Judicial Process
Recklessness
Grand Larceny
Extortion
Blackmail
Substance Abuse
Evidence Suppression
Illegal Foriegn Campaign Funding
Improper Exports of Sensitve Technology
Attempted Intimidation of Prosecutors
Destruction of Business Records with Intent to Defraud
Failure to Investigate Drug Trafficking
Real Estate Fraud
Criminalizing Frauds on Financial Institutions
Use of State Police for Personal Purposes
Illegal Loan Extraction
False Reports by Medical Examiners and Others Investigating Suspicious Deaths
Improper Futures Trading
Illegal Use of the Executive Branch
Character Defamation
Voter Fraud
Racketeering
Destruction of Evidence
Political Espionage
Money Laundering
Criminal Negligence
RICO Conspiracy
Misuse of Government Files
Desecration of Federal Ethics Laws
Judicial Intimidation
Conflict of Interests
Illegal Campaign Activity
Misuse of Corporate Assets
Ordering Politically Motivated Audits
Ordering Politically Motivated Investigations
Timing of War Influenced by Political Considerations
Misapplying Funds
Conspiracy to Defraud the Federal Government
Criminal Violation of the Privacy Act
Conspiracy to Conceal
Evisceration of the Right to Habeas Corpus
Misuse of Taxpayer Funds
Interfering with a Court Order
Theft of Government Property
Abuse of Taxpayer Financed Travel
Anti-American Espionage
Jeopardizing National Security
Aiding and Abetting Drug Traffic
Aiding and Abetting Organized Crime
Murder by Accessory by Witness Tampering
Murder by Accessory by Forgery
Foreign Influence Peddling
Regular Influence Peddling
Corrupting Public Discourse
Providing False and Misleading Testimony
Interferring with a Custody Case
Kidnapping by Accessory
Child Endangerment
Sexual Harassment
Indecent Exposure
Sexual Abuse of Employees
Lewd and Lascivious Conduct
Exchange of Promotions or Benefits for Sexual Favors
Sexual Assault
Statutory Rape
Contributing to the Delinquincy of a Minor
Unfit to hold a law license
Conduct Unbecoming a President
Squandering the Public Trust

Since they left the White House:

The American Spectator: February 1994 February 1994

Criminal Laws Implicated by the Clinton Scandals:
A Partial List

by Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short


As details concerning overlapping scandals involving President and Mrs. Clinton have emerged, the Clintons and their public relations lieutenants have been adamant that, whatever happened, there have been no allegations that any laws were broken.

Maybe not. But in the spirit of helping to inform the White House -- and the Special Prosecutor -- we offer the following list of potentially relevant criminal statutes, based on allegations that have appeared in the national press. We expect that special counsel Robert Fiske is preparing a similar list.

In compiling the list, we have not indulged in some of the wilder legal theories available -- thus, for example, we do not assert that the Clintons might be prosecutable for running a criminal enterprise in violation of RICO; nor do we include a charge, of the type beloved by Iran-contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, that the Clintons conspired to violate unenacted congressional policies. And, of course, because all the facts are not yet available, many statutes that may become relevant in the days ahead won't appear here. Even so, the most recent crop of Clinton scandals already suggests a fairly impressive catalogue of possible crimes:


Bill Clinton
Alleged misconduct
Statutes implicated
Penalty
1. While president, discussed possible federal jobs for Arkansas state troopers who had knowledge about potentially politically damaging stories of Clinton's marital infidelity and abuse of Arkansas Governor's office.

a. 18 U.S.C. 201, which makes it a crime to offer or promise "directly or indirectly" anything of value to someone with the aim of influencing that person's testimony under oath.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of perjury.

a. Up to 15 years in prison, a fine, and disqualification from any federal office of honor, trust, or profit.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine.

2. While president, approved actions by White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum designed to circumscribe official federal investigations into White House aide Vincent Foster's death, and directed that documents found in Foster's office be removed from the White House and handed over to a private lawyer retained by the Clintons. a. 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person -- here, the FBI and Park Service investigators -- from discharging the duties of federal office.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with matters within the jurisdiction of a United States agency.

c. 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit obstruction of justice and obstruction of Justice Department or Congressional inquiries.

a.Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

c. Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

3. While president, had Vincent Foster perform personal legal work at taxpayer expense. Any of a number of statutes governing employees of the White House and misuse of appropriations, but in particular 31 U.S.C. 1519, prohibiting the creation of financial obligations unauthorized by appropriations. Up to 2 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
4. While governor, used state troopers for personal errands, to facilitate extramarital affairs, and to investigate campaign opponents. 18 U.S.C. 666, which prohibits any state government employee from stealing or converting state property valued at over $5,000. (Theft of employee time has been held to be a theft prohibited under Section 666.) Up to 10 years in prison and a fine of twice the amount of the pecuniary gain.
5. While governor, named John Latham, chief executive officer for Madison Guaranty, to a seat on the state S&L regulatory board. Also named Beverly Bassett, who had previously served as lawyer for Madison, commissioner of the Arkansas Securities Commission. Bassett would later give Madison regulatory approval on several of its requests. McDougal would later host a fundraiser that would allegedly funnel Madison funds to Clinton. a. Section 5-52-101 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime to trade in public offices.

b. Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to solicit a bribe.

a. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

b. Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

6. While governor, extracted an illegal Small Business Administration loan from David Hale's investment company which went to James McDougal's wife. The McDougals were partners with the Clintons in Whitewater Development Co. Mrs. McDougal thereafter gave a portion of her loan to Whitewater Development Co. The loan was never repaid. a. 15 U.S.C. 645, which prohibits making false statements for the purpose of obtaining any loan from the Small Business Administration.

b. 18 U.S.C. 371, making it a crime to conspire to defraud the federal government.

c. 18 U.S.C. 1006, which makes it a crime to share "directly or indirectly" in any payment made in violation of federal laws governing small business investment companies.

d. 18 U.S.C. 1344, criminalizing frauds on financial institutions.

e. Section 5-42-204 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime to launder the proceeds of criminal activity.

a. Up to 2 years in prison, $5,000 fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

b. Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.

d. Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.

e. Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

7. While Arkansas attorney general, shortly before becoming governor, received a 50-percent interest in Whitewater from the McDougals in return for an apparently nominal investment. Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to accept a bribe. Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
8. While governor, pressured McDougal to retain Hillary Clinton to represent his S&L in order to help the Clintons financially. Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to solicit a bribe. Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
9. While governor, advised Gennifer Flowers, in taped conversation, to state falsely that they had never talked about her obtaining a state job. ("If they ever ask you if you've talked to me about it, you can say no.") a. 18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to influence testimony.

b. Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which prohibits tampering with witnesses.

a. Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine.

b. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

10. While governor, participated in the destruction of Whitewater files. The McDougals, partners with the Clintons in Whitewater, have stated that they delivered Whitewater's records to the Arkansas Governor's mansion at the request of Mrs. Clinton. Both Clintons deny receiving the documents, some of which are missing. a. 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to destroy any record relating to the "financial condition of the taxpayer."

b. Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which prohibits the destruction of business records with the intent to defraud.

a. Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.

b. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

11. While governor, benefited from numerous errors in tax filings having to do with illegal deductions, treatment of capital gains, unreported income, etc. 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to file a tax return that the filers do not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter. Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
12. While president, engaged in cover-up activities with respect to all of the above, involving, among other things, the making of false statements about his role in and knowledge of the various scandals, and conspiring with others to have them make similar false statements. a. 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person (such as Justice Department investigators) from discharging the duties of federal office.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1001, prohibiting concealment and false or misleading statements in connection with any matter within the jurisdiction of the Justice Department.

a. Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.


Total potential criminal liability: disqualification from federal office, 178 years in prison, more than $2.5 million in fines.


 


Hillary Rodham Clinton
Alleged misconduct Statutes implicated Penalty
1. In 1985, as counsel for Madison, submitted audit to state regulators to demonstrate that Madison was solvent; four years later, after Madison's collapse, her law partner, Webster Hubbell, attacked the bona fides of the audit in litigation in which he represented the FDIC, calling into question what Mrs. Clinton knew and when she knew it. a. 18 U.S.C. 1014, prohibiting false statements designed to influence "in any way" the actions of federal financial regulators.

b. Section 23-34-108 of the Arkansas Code, which prohibits intentionally false statements regarding banks.

c. Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, prohibiting the fraudulent creation of false business records.

a. Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.

b. Up to 10 years in prison.

c. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

2. Participated with her husband in the destruction of Whitewater files. 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to destroy any record relating to the "financial condition of the taxpayer." Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
3. Benefited with her husband from numerous errors in tax filings. 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to file a tax return that the filers do not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter. Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.

Total potential criminal liability: 47 years in prison, more than $1.2 million in fines.


 


Bernard Nussbaum
Alleged misconduct Statutes implicated Penalty
1. With Clinton political aides, circumscribed FBI and Park Police investigations into Vincent Foster's suicide, and gave Foster files to Bill Clinton's personal lawyer. a. 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person from discharging the duties of federal office.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with any matter within the jurisdiction of a United States agency.

c. 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit obstruction of justice and obstruction of Justice Department or Congressional inquiries.

a. Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

c. Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.


Total potential criminal liability: 21 years in prison, $25,000 in fines.


 


Webster Hubbell, Associate Attorney General
Alleged misconduct Statutes implicated Penalty
1. As partner of Hillary Clinton in the Rose Law Firm, represented the FDIC in suit against Madison, without bothering to disclose to the FDIC that Mr. Hubbell's firm had previously represented Madison, or that Mrs. Clinton was a partner of McDougal. a. 18 U.S.C. 208, which prohibits special government employees from acting in matters in which they or their partners have a financial interest.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with matters within the jurisdiction of a United States agency.

c. 18 U.S.C. 1007, which prohibits influencing "in any way" the actions of the FDIC by means of false statements.

a. Up to 5 years in prison and a fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

c. Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.


Total potential criminal liability: 40 years in prison, more than $1 million in fines.


 


Betsey Wright, Former Clinton Aide, Current Associate
Alleged misconduct Statutes implicated Penalty
1. Visited Arkansas state trooper Danny Ferguson in an effort to get him to change his story that Bill Clinton offered troopers federal jobs to discourage them from speaking about his actions.

2. Failed to file election contribution reports identifying individual contributors to Clinton's 1984 gubernatorial campaign, thus hiding identity of possibly phantom contributors through whom McDougal funneled Madison funds to Clinton prior to Madison's collapse.

a. 18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to influence testimony.

b. 18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of perjury.

c. Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which prohibits tampering with witnesses.

d. Section 7-6-205 of the Arkansas Code, which prohibits use of false names to make political contributions.

e. Section 7-6-207 of the Arkansas Code, requiring the filing of lists of political contributors.

a. Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine.

b. Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine.

c. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

d. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

e. Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.


Total potential criminal liability: 18 years in prison, more than $250,000 in fines.




"We’re going to go after all crime, and we’re going to make sure people get punished for the crime."
George W. Bush - Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University - Oct 11, 2000


If Bill Clinton didn't break the law, there is no law. George Bush wants to move on. I'm not.

135 posted on 02/04/2002 8:19:52 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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