Posted on 02/03/2002 4:14:41 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
There was an opportunity to bring Bill Clinton to justice, he was given a pass and allowed to go on being President.
If we decide to spend the next four years investigating allegations, they in turn will investigate allegations once Bush is out of office, and so on and so forth, not a good thing.
Allegations are not sufficient, smoking guns are needed, and there are none.
Your #149 post was not clear, but in all our back and forths, we've been referring to the inability of nations to prosecute popular ex-executives rather than an executive's threat to prosecute. If the former was not what you were criticizing as being inconsistent with our constitutional republic, you should have said so before now. If you speak in "hints", you're going to have misunderstandings.
I could try to use smaller words in the future, but I really don't care if my posts are not understood by some audiences.
I will not respond to you in the future.
Triple,
out
Very impressive!
Yes you do, every bit as much as I do. I gave no evidence because it should be obvious. Neither did you.
Surely you jest! I gave numerous FACTUAL examples of the media not reporting the facts and could have provided many more. You, on the other hand, simply threw out the word "polls". Both of us know that poll results change from day to day and are very strongly dependent on WHAT IS ASKED, WHO IS ASKED and WHO IS ASKING.
"And I could go on ALL DAY listing stories"
Nope, no one would read it or listen to it. To most people, you sound mentally disturbed, out of control and a total fruit cake.
Well now I know that you are not into having a serious discussion. I assume you aren't denying that the mainstream press failed to tell the American people that the FBI had credible evidence that Clinton RAPED a women? I assume you aren't denying any of the other examples I provided? I'll assume that you are just claiming that the average person wouldn't believe those FACTS. Well you'd be surprised at the response you get when you mention things like this to people you meet.
They are so jaded and skeptical of the press and politicians that they are more than willing to believe they've been mislead. Point them in the direction of websites like FreeRepublic and they come back later to tell you that "they never knew!". They don't treat you like a fruit cake ... they are shocked to learn that such facts were never mentioned by the press. The war is only lost if our side gives up on the truth and leaves the battlefield ... as you seem to be recommending.
I don't even want to listen to those same tired platitudes for the next 3 years.
Well that just about says it all. Tell us ... which of the examples I listed do you consider a "tired platitudes". Frankly, I find your use of the term highly suggestive of your TRUE political leanings. It certainly sounds like you are on this forum JUST to defend Clinton and his gang ... NO MATTER WHAT CRIMES THEY COMMITTED.
Okay simply ask, "Do you want Clinton's alleged crimes of "MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING" aggressively prosecuted in OJ and Impeachment style trials over the next several years at the expense of legislative progress and national reconciliation". That's a fair question, and you know what the answer would be.
That is NOT a fair question. That is about as LOADED a question as you could ask ... just the sort that someone who believes the polls concocted by the leftwing media might come up with. No, ask people "Do you want the laws for crimes like MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING enforced equally, so that no person is above the law?" They will answer YES. Then, AFTER those same people have been informed of the facts IN A COURT OF LAW ... they will conclude that laws have been broken and that the people charged should be punished. If you don't believe that then you have a VERY LOW opinion of people ... a characteristic of democRAT leadership.
No, "Freedom, democracy, liberty, separation of powers, and due process" are all of equal importance to enforcing the laws. Sometimes they conflict.
There can be NO FREEDOM if the STATE ignore laws where politicians and political parties are concerned. That's a TYRANNY.
There can be NO DEMOCRACY if the political parties are allowed to get away with ILLEGALLY rigging election results as at least one of them did the last two or three elections.
There can be NO LIBERTY if the net result is that the STATE can do anything it wants, including destroying aircraft full of its own citizens, with no consequence.
There can be NO SEPARATION OF POWERS if one branch BLACKMAILS the others with information ILLEGALLY obtained from sources like the FBI or if one branch SUBVERTS another by appointing people it CONTROLS.
There can be NO DUE PROCESS if that process isn't followed ... which is exactly what you are suggesting we do!
I faxed Senators telling them if there wasn't a real trial I'd vote straight Democrat, and to my wife's horror, I followed through with it.
You did this in the last election? Then you didn't even give the Bush a chance to set things straight. Which only PROVES that you NEVER had any interest in punishing the democRATS for their many crimes. In fact, I guess you weren't even one of those 700 voters you mentioned who kept Clinton/Gore from winning your state. And although you weren't persuaded by the "psycho-rants of 3rd parties", you were persuaded by the "psycho-rants of democRATS"! I've long suspected the "move-on" crowd of being mostly composed of democRATS, and it appears that here is PROOF.
our chance past, and it will never come again.
Boy this is defeatest. Thank you for just proving my point. I've long maintained that "move-on'ers" on the whole are a sorry bunch who have actually given up on this country and the principles it stands for. They are ready to surrender to the enemy.
The country's full of people who are unable to differentiate the spin from the reality. Fox news and a popular wartime president aren't enough to counter that.
HONEST news sources and an HONEST President are enough, however, to hold the line long enough to let "the system" work as it was intended to work. You are right that they are not going to be enough, by themselves, to convert any of those now BELIEVING the liberal lies. But INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE the many democRATS (and Republicans, if need be) who violated SERIOUS laws the last decade and you WILL educate the rest.
Look at what happened when pardongate surfaced. The left was running about like a chicken without a head, trying UNSUCCESSFULLY to spin it. Of course, now it looks like the Bush administration is going to bury that one too. Look at what happened in the OJ trial. Sure he got off, but almost EVERYONE in America found out the facts and almost EVERYONE in America, in their heart, believes he was guilty. And THAT is all you need to win elections. Make people believe, in their heart, the democRATS committed some crimes the last decade that were beyond the pale and conservatives will win elections, even if those specific democRATS manage to skate (and I'm not agreeing they would).
I'm also a realist, and I see that the nation is not ready to support the prosecution of an ex-chief executive, and that if Bush pushed, it would be the only thing that he "might" accomplish in his one term.
Again, this is NOTHING but YOURS and the LIBERAL MEDIA'S OPINION. I still hope that Bush is a better man than that. I certainly believe that it is within his power to BOTH clean out the criminals now infesting the democRAT party (and some portions of his own party) AND complete the rest of his agenda. NOTHING will make the other side more amenable to going along with that "agenda" than facing a public that is decidedly ANGRY about the crimes they committed.
But I'm not without hope. I believe that educational reform, little by little, will free the natural curiosity of future generations to transcend the corruption that we failed to defeat.
Sorry but the democRATS CONTROL the education system just like they CONTROL Hollywood (where young impressionable minds get the rest of their world view). And I don't see the GOP doing much to change that situation. Heck, they even abandon vouchers and go along with the democRATS to ENLARGE the public school system.
Oh yeah? What about the Riady non-refund?
And AGAIN ... this is NOT just about Clinton. Why are you so OBSESSED with the man, Luis?
Who are you referring to Luis? And why are you so afraid to touch my question about the Riady non-refund? It is not just the Brown case you fear, is it?
And with Frank.
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