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1 posted on 02/03/2002 8:09:01 AM PST by Ranger
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To: Ranger
BUMP!
2 posted on 02/03/2002 8:21:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Ranger
Great Post. All the recent speaches by "Future Demo Presidential Candidates" have been heavily laced with a call for renewables (expensive and unreliable) and heavy emphasis on conversation.

These idiotic ideas are based on the following fallacies:
a. Zero population growth.
b. Zero immigration.
c. Zero new construction.
d. Zero increase in manufacturing, chemical and fertilizer production.
e. Immediate production of fuel cell vehicle at a competitive price and safety record.
g. Immediate construction of solar and wind generators a competitive prices ($.04 per kilowatt hr).

None of the above will happen for obvious reasons. Telling Americans they can solve an energy shortage by using less, is like telling Somali's they can solve a food shortage by eating less.

3 posted on 02/03/2002 8:24:13 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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Climate models, such as those run by NASA, initially assumed that the sensitivity was much larger than it was in reality

In the real world, this is known as GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
Anybody with half a brain and a chart of temperature fluctuations for all of pre-industrial history derived from any method whatsoever, can see that attempting to segregate "human influence" is a fool's errand.
In every case the indicated variability in temperature that can be plainly seen is orders of magnitude greater than any scientifically explained change.

The touchy-feelie crowd, with its mission to control the rest of us by whatever means possible, just won't give up.
Socialism by any other name...

I do wish I knew who the socialist genius was who initially suggested that political change and wealth redistribution be effected by appealing to our fear of "saving" the planet.
Appealing to the inevitable fear of the ignorant was truly a stroke of genius.

4 posted on 02/03/2002 8:25:08 AM PST by Publius6961
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bump
5 posted on 02/03/2002 8:26:40 AM PST by VOA
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Big News! ***Bump***
7 posted on 02/03/2002 8:35:25 AM PST by demkicker
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Unfortunatly the average American will never hear about this, and those who believe in global warming that do hear about it will dismiss it.
8 posted on 02/03/2002 8:47:23 AM PST by Hugin
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I see by some of the posts that we all shared some skepticism about Hanson's initial claims of global warming.

If it was budgetary or political (it could not have been simple stupidity), why did so many people buy it when someone like myself whose understanding of meteorology goes no further than the simplest of local weather forecasts doubted its veracity from the beginning?

9 posted on 02/03/2002 8:47:38 AM PST by Lady Jag
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Outstanding Find. Bookmarked and Bumped.

One of the biggest debacles of the "Global Warming" hoax was the CFC phony scientific ban. CFC's were inexpensive, and WORKED! Once the CFC's were banned we have a much less efficient system of cooling or refrigeration, at a much higher price. Nobody could PROVE a thing, but the junk science machine kept eating at the edges until people believed it. This is exactly what the damn greens wanted, as deep down inside they are simply Luddites in "save the earth" clothing.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC

Greg

10 posted on 02/03/2002 8:54:36 AM PST by gwmoore
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This is very big news.

It should be heavily publicized. Rush Limbaugh might have a few environmental wacko comments as well. How do we make sure he hears about it?

12 posted on 02/03/2002 9:55:59 AM PST by EternalHope
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SUPER ROFLOL BUMP!

Greenie's I feel your pain....boo hoo..

14 posted on 02/03/2002 10:31:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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GASP!! What will poor Al Gore do now? Just sit around and watch his beard grow?
15 posted on 02/03/2002 10:35:41 AM PST by Allegra
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Back in the 1940's and early 50's the great astronomers thought they had a good understanding of our solar system. According to predictions based on it's albedo (the percentage of light reflected) and distance from the sun, Venus should have had a surface temperature a few degrees warmer than Earth. Venus is closer to the sun, and therefore it receives more energy per square meter than the earth, but it reflects 70% of the sun's light due to the cloud cover.

Along comes a guy named Velikovsky, who published two books: Worlds in Collision, and Earth in Upheaval.

In these books, Velikovsky argues that Venus is a new member of our solar system, born in a gigantic cataclysm that occurred not in the distant geological past, but within human history. Velikovsky boldly predicts that Venus is still cooling off, but should have a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead (if his thesis is correct). Velikovsky is mocked and reviled by the scientific community, but in 1954 the first microwave temperature measurements prove him right.

The scientists knew that their theories of our solar system's evolution could not account for the temperature on Venus, and to allow any consideration of a cataclysmic explanation would have supported Velikovsky. They had to produce a theory to explain the high temperature, that also allowed Venus to be as old as the rest of the planets. Eventually, they produced a theory that blamed the CO2 which makes up 96% of the Venusian atmosphere. This was the "greenhouse" effect.

It was this theory that started all of the worry about earth's "greenhouse" gasses like CO2 and methane, but few are willing to go back and reconsider the data from Venus, and wether it supports this theory. For any who are interested, here is a link:

Venus temperature

Velikovsky died in 1979, and although his books once made the best seller lists, they are no longer in print.

16 posted on 02/03/2002 11:26:28 AM PST by e_engineer
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So, in his last paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,
Mr. Hansen and Makiko Sato wrote,....


For those posters/lurkers who were smart enough to not get a degree in the physical sciences...
"Proceedings" (also known under the acronym of PNAS) is just about as good as
it gets in terms of peer-reviewed journals of science.
I've helped review/edit a number of papers for review/publication by PNAS and
the standards are STRINGENT.

(Yep, some junk does get by the reviewers now and then...but it's a low percentage deal.)
18 posted on 02/03/2002 12:02:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: B4Ranch; It'salmosttolate; ChaseR; alphadog; TrueBeliever9; MichaelRivero...
ping
21 posted on 02/03/2002 12:27:02 PM PST by madfly
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bttt
24 posted on 02/03/2002 12:53:07 PM PST by farmfriend
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Excellent post. Here's the REAL question: What is the NEXT catastrophe the left will generate to encourage government control over the economy and people's freedom? My guess, either overpopulation (the AIDS epidemic already looks like a bust) or global COOLING. Of course, both of these are retreads of earlier scare attempts, but the socialists need some issue to pump up the UN role and to condemn the capitalist US for.
26 posted on 02/03/2002 1:10:02 PM PST by Faraday
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BTTT
29 posted on 02/03/2002 1:30:44 PM PST by hattend
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Here's why it's nice to get paid by the word.

"unwarranted economic disaster for no good reason."

If it's unwarranted, then it follows it is for no good reason.
If it is for no good reason, it is unwarranted.  But when
they pay you by the word....pad that baby  :)

33 posted on 02/03/2002 1:45:44 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Ranger
Bump for later laughter.
34 posted on 02/03/2002 1:51:17 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: Ranger;Global Warming Hoax
I think even the National Geographic is getting the news!

Feb 2002 issue contains a map of Antarctica and very little regarding Global warming!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using Global Warming Hoax

Click here: Global Warming Hoax

39 posted on 02/03/2002 2:34:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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