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To: umgud
A poor family of 6 can currently earn close to $25,000 without paying a dime in income taxes...

Well, a poor family of 6 can currently earn close to $25,000 without THINKING they pay a dime in income taxes.

The reality is that poor folks (and everyone else FTM) are hit by embedded taxes in the prices of goods which are inflated to the tune of 20-40% to allow employers to pay income and payroll tax and compliance costs. Poor folks are also hit with lower wages that have been forced down to allow employers to pay their income taxes, payroll taxes and compliance costs.

The sales tax is a fairer way to go but, removes politicians ability to pander for votes.

This bears repeating, umgud.

The sales tax is a fairer way to go but, removes politicians ability to pander for votes.

And IMHO, makes the case for the nrst even stronger.

51 posted on 02/03/2002 9:12:30 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled; umgud

The sales tax is a fairer way to go but, removes politicians ability to pander for votes.

The Coming Crisis in our Democracy

Featuring

The Honorable James DeMint (R-SC)
United States House of Representatives

THURSDAY, APRIL 5, 2001
12:00 noon

"In 1996, Congress passed a historic welfare reform law that has dramatically reduced the number of Americans who depend on welfare. In spite of this positive development, Representative DeMint is concerned about the steady growth of a welfare/entitlement state that extends well beyond the poor and is forcing millions of middle income Americans into dependency.

There has been a shift in the relationship between individuals and government, he argues, such that fewer and fewer are paying taxes at the same time that more and more are receiving increasingly generous benefits. If it becomes the case that most voters do not bear a financial burden for this largess, then there will be little to restrain--and significant political incentives to encourage--the continued growth of government. And at that point, DeMint warns, we have reached a major crisis in our democracy."


 

To remove taxation of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal taxes are high because a majority of the electorate do not share proportionately in the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.

The call for representation without taxation is the formula that got is where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw

Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If that price is avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government, the ultimate result is the end of freedom through creeping socialism.

Right now the bottom 60% perceive little to no "Individual Income Tax" burden,(in many cases even a handout) and they continue to clamor for more from government looking for the top 40% to pay for it, corroborated by many recent polls on the subject of people attitudes about tax reduction. That perception continues to grow ever stronger by eliminating even more participants from the Individual Income Tax rolls as proposed in the current tax reduction proposals currently on board through changes in personal exemption limits and other mechanisms such as the EITC.

A prime example of what is happening comes from an analysis of Individual Income Tax effective rates in comparison with the Total rates of Federal taxation:

Those who perceive little burden play the role of Poor little Paul:

Effective Individual Federal Income Tax Rate (Percent of gross income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
Lowest Quintile -0.6 -0.8 -0.2 -0.5 -0.2 -1.3 -1.9 -2.9 -3.4 -5.6 -6.8
Second Quintile 3.6 3.9 4.6 3.5 3.9 3.2 3.3 2.7 1.8 1.8 0.9
Middle Quintile 7.1 7.5 8.3 6.8 6.8 6.1 6.5 6.3 5.9 6.1 5.4

Those that readily perceive some of the burden.

Effective Individual Federal Income Tax Rate (Percent of gross income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
Fourth Quintile 9.7 10.4 11.3 9.5 9.3 8.7 8.9 8.7 8.5 8.7 8.4
Highest Quintile 15.8 16.3 17.1 14.5 14.3 15.1 15.1 14.8 15.5 16.2 16.1

To play the role of mean ole Rich Peter.

While Congress plays both ends against the middle; hiding the real burden in inflation, higher prices on all goods and services, lower takehome pay, lower return on investment, and higher interest rates. All keeping the poor right where they are and pushing for more freebees.

Consider that 15.3% SS/Medicare tax on the 1st $70K of wages/self-employment income, plus the 6% Federal Unemployment tax, all of which are but a portion of the effect of federal taxes embedded the price of all products we purchase. Taken together with the Individual tax rates above we all pay more than:

 

Effective Total Federal Tax Rate (Percent of reported income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
All Families 22.8 23.4 23.5 21.4 21.8 22.6 22.5 22.6 23.5 24.7 24.2

We all pay corporate/business taxes through high prices and high loan interest rates; with the EIC reducing burden on the low end, relief from SS/Medicare tax and exception rules reducing burden on the high end; The middle stuck gets stuck in the crunch between.

Data from IRS collections statistics and The Bureau of Economic Analysis as compiled in tabular form by the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1545&from=4&sequence=0

And the fine print at the bottom of the tables:

SOURCE: Congressional Budget Office.

NOTES:Pretax family income is the sum of wages, salaries, self-employment income, rents, taxable and nontaxable interest, dividends, realized capital gains, and all cash transfer payments. Income also includes the corporate income tax and the employer share of Social Security and federal unemployment insurance payroll taxes."

In short, inflating the income divisor over what the wage earner will ever see lowering the effective percent tax rate; distorted to hide the effect of higher prices and lower takehome pay have on the lower 60% of the electorate.


We wonder why over 60% of the voters PERCEIVE no problem with the taxrates and vote for polidiots that promise to bring home the most bacon because they are the only ones that benefit from higher taxes with more spending on socialistic "gimme" programs. As this continues under Bush or anyone else for that matter, expect a liberal tax and waste congress in short order, and for many years to come.

We are all paying through the nose, rich and poor while politicians play the tune of envy and resentment that Americans continue to respond to not understanding the full picture what is happening to them. The NRST is a means to open VOTERS eyes to the reality.

Is it any wonder that Alan Keyes refers to the income tax as the slave tax and supports a National Retail sales tax to replace it?

The Original Intent of the individual income tax is for political and social control not revenue collection. The Individual Income tax is maintained to establish and hold every person in the country perpetual legal jeopardy. That is a situation that must end with the repeal of the income tax from the statutes, and the prohibition of its use by Constitutional amendment that future generations will not face the same manner of manipulation and interference in their lives.

72 posted on 02/03/2002 10:25:45 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Principled
The reality is that poor folks (and everyone else FTM) are hit by embedded taxes in the prices of goods which are inflated to the tune of 20-40% (and) are also hit with lower wages that have been forced down to allow employers to pay their income taxes, payroll taxes and compliance costs.

You saved me from saying it, but it bears repeating.
The problem with the flat tax -in addition to what you pointed out-
is that people would see almost ALL of the money that they pay to the fed.
That is exactly what they DON'T want people to know.
The cry for government reform would be much louder when people realized
that government is -by far- the largest expense that we have.
One with minimal return.
80 posted on 02/03/2002 10:38:49 AM PST by freefly
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