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Evil Empire’s War Talk
www.sundayheraldsun.com.au ^ | February 3, 2002 | AFP

Posted on 02/02/2002 7:49:21 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Evil Empire’s War Talk

WASHINGTON: North Korea yesterday blustered that it was on the brink of war with the US after President George W. Bush renewed his attacks on the "axis of evil" of so-called rogue states.

Mr Bush again labelled Iran, Iraq and North Korea the world's most dangerous regimes, warning they could face US action and prompting speculation about where the war on terror would lead after Afghanistan.

His warning, raised first in his State of the Nation address on Tuesday, drew an angry reaction from Muslim countries throughout the Middle East. But the most blunt message response came from North Korea. A spokesman for strongman Kim Jong Il said the nation was ready for war and had been wise to develop "powerful offensive and defensive means". We are sharply watching the disturbing moves of the United States that have pushed the situation to the brink of war," the Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

As the secretive communist regime's propaganda machine went into overdrive, North Korean state media said US warplanes had carried out scores of reconnaissance flights in recent weeks in preparation for an attack. The spokesman said Mr Bush's speech was "little short of declaring a war".

Undaunted by the strength of the reaction in the Middle East to his speech, Mr Bush reiterated his accusations against the three countries and warned that Washington was ready to act. He said all three nations were developing weapons of mass destruction. "They need to know our intention is to hold them accountable and the rest of the world needs to be with us, because these weapons can be pointed at them as easily as at us," he said. Iran, which Washington describes as the main state sponsor of terror ism, called Mr Bush -thirsty for human blood", while the Iraqi regime of Sad Hussein branded him "stupid, arrogant and irresponsible".

Former secretary o state Madeleine Albrigh also condemned the "axis of evil" speech, calling it "big mistake". She said many in the international community believed the US h "lost its mind" because of the way Mr Bush handled foreign policy. "I think it was a big mistake to lump those three countries together," she said. "They are very different from each other." That warning risked alienating foreign allies she said. We know that they are (already) not supportive of what we are doing in lraq or Iran or North Korea, so I don't know what the value is." But US officials said there were no plans for, any military action against the three countries. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the US was not about to open three more fronts in the war against terror now centred on Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, in New York, US Secretary of State Colin Powell yesterday urged world leaders to crush the cause of terrorism by stamping out poverty. Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Mr Powell said' We have to go after poverty, we have to go after despair." AFP


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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I have thought that exact same thing so many times.

The critics called it drivel and basically slammed every aspect of his book, but I thought allot of it was brilliant and incredibly insightful. Especially for someone of such limited means, and to this day I hear people on both sides of the political isle repackaging these same observations and ideas as new, but Hitler wrote them in the 30's

(I don't mean to imply plagiarism or anything, I think allot of them are just simple truths that can't be denied. And many people come to these conclusions independent of reading Mien Kamph)

Then, about the time he started seeing Jews "controlling" everything, he just flipped out.. Later I can imagine a senario where he was so powerfull, no one dared tell him he flipped his wig.

161 posted on 02/03/2002 6:04:57 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
I got the impression that overall he took a very simple, darwinistic view of statehood.

I did say a perverse admiration, JHoffa....I am not an admirer of Hitler, as you know.

162 posted on 02/03/2002 6:05:37 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jhoffa_
I don't think he deeply admired anyone or anything much besides his "Fatherland"

I don't think he much admired his "Fatherland" as he found it, more or less in the form which Bismark had created. His first step in foreign policy was to bring Austria back into Germany, reversing a policy which took Bismark a generation to accomplish. The Germany he wanted seemed to be more like the medeival German Empire, but without Christianity.

Say, aren't we getting a bit off topic here? Maybe we need AMMON-CENTRIST back to bring us to our senses -- LOL!

163 posted on 02/03/2002 6:08:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
So where was Germany to expand it's borders, without dominating other countries as a colonial power?

To the East. As he says over and over again. By conquering the 'inferior' Slavic peoples.

164 posted on 02/03/2002 6:09:43 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I know..

My point is I don't think he wanted to emulate anything about us.. I got the inmpression that Hitler looked at other nations, their land and resources (as you said) like a fox looks around a chicken coop.

If he thought we were fat, lazy and didn't deserve our resources because we were squandering them it wouldn't suprise me.

Furthermore, he defended this as a God given right. Total darwinism, no appreciation for anything or anyone.

165 posted on 02/03/2002 6:10:28 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: He Rides A White Horse
By conquering the 'inferior' Slavic peoples.

And this would not be colonialism because??

166 posted on 02/03/2002 6:11:53 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Today, many European states are like pyramids stood on their heads. Their European area is absurbly small in comparison to the weight of colonies, foreign trade, etc. We may say: summit in Europe, base in the whole world; contrasting with the American Union which possesses its base in its own continent and touches the rest of the earth only with its summit. And from this comes the immense inner strength of this state and the weakness of most European colonial powers.

----Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Again Lucius, think about what he is saying here.

He is basically saying that Europe has it backwards, that the states of Europe with their 'small' landmasses have quite a task in subjugating 'larger' foreign areas due to this fact; he states that America, due to its immense 'base territory' was better suited to project its power through the world.

He is clearly offering this supposition, and wanted the same for Germany.

167 posted on 02/03/2002 6:15:54 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jhoffa_
If he thought we were fat, lazy and didn't deserve our resources because we were squandering them it wouldn't suprise me.

See post #152. We are on the same page for the most part.

168 posted on 02/03/2002 6:17:39 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
In other words, by expanding the national borders of Germany proper, Germany would be in a far better position to project its power and control.

A small state trying to control large expanses of far off territories (Africa, etc.) was a huge task; by expanding the size of the German state (as America and Russia enjoyed), Germany would be in a far greater position to enjoy first class world power status.

See?

169 posted on 02/03/2002 6:23:23 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Southack
"That warning risked alienating foreign allies..."

Like I really give a rats rectum!

170 posted on 02/03/2002 6:29:24 PM PST by lawdude
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To: VMI70
BlackbirdSST - member since September 20th, 2001

Darth Falar - member since January 26th, 2002

There seem to be a number of individuals who arrived after 9-11, coincidentally just in time to do their best to spread defeatism and malicious fantasies about the war against terrorism.

Ammon-Centrist has apparently received his long-overdue removal from this part of the civilized world. Should we have a contest for the first to spot what screenname he appears under next?

171 posted on 02/03/2002 6:34:43 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Southern Federalist
Though I believe that Darth is fairly .... "misguided" individual,
I have generally found BlackbirdSST to be a pretty intelligent and well informed person.I have'nt read his posts on this thread but I'll go back and do so. BUT in the past he and I have usually been on the same side of issues.
172 posted on 02/03/2002 6:51:32 PM PST by clamper1797
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To: Southern Federalist
Ditto #172
173 posted on 02/03/2002 7:03:02 PM PST by VMI70
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To: clamper1797
Perhaps M. Blackbird has been a paragon on other threads. On this thread he has made a lot of in-your-face dogmatic assertions, documented nothing, expects everyone to bow and scrape to his "personal experience" and reacts to disagreement with abuse. I hope he documented the claims on the basis of which you call him well-informed. He sounds like a Petainist - an arrogant defeatist who disdains those who want to fight evil because he's seen it all in "la guerre" and from his superior position knows that all we can do when evil attacks is lie back and enjoy it.
174 posted on 02/03/2002 7:09:45 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Southern Federalist
Maybe you caught him on a bad night
175 posted on 02/03/2002 7:27:05 PM PST by clamper1797
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To: Southern Federalist;Darth Falar
Should we have a contest for the first to spot what screenname he appears under next?

Maybe it is Darth Falar?

176 posted on 02/03/2002 7:42:56 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Germany would be in a far greater position to enjoy first class world power status.-- See?

Looks like he was saying that conquering and oppressing your neighbors is fine, because you end up with a cohesive state, as opposed to a far flung commercially oriented empire like Britain's. I had heard that the book was heavily derivative of earlier versions of the 'Heartland' geopolitical theory, I guess this proves it. It was this analysis that 'proved' that the USSR, by controlling the Hearland of Eurasia was unstoppable. Guess not, huh?

177 posted on 02/03/2002 7:47:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I don't know - I don't detect that note of frenzy in DF that was so characteristic of A-C. DF sounds more like a Random Paleo Post Generator. I suspect that these programs were developed in Teheran some time ago and have been turned against FR for some months now in several versions - there are also Random Israel-Hater Post Generators and Random Bush-Basher Post Generators.
178 posted on 02/03/2002 7:52:42 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: clamper1797
Maybe you caught him on a bad night.

What, did he miss his meeting of the Log Cabin Republicans?

179 posted on 02/03/2002 7:56:51 PM PST by Ruger1099
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To: Southern Federalist
There also seem to be a not so Random Justin Raimondo Post Generator, but those anarcho-libertarians are ornery even in their contrariness!
180 posted on 02/03/2002 7:57:11 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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