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To: CCWoody
Jerry's older article made some interesting points about rebellion against the centralized church and early American politics, but I see nothing in the A.W. Pink stuff but theological mumbo jumbo.

However, once again, I'll bite. What does "regeneration" have to do with politics?

43 posted on 02/04/2002 7:10:38 AM PST by moyden
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To: moyden
"However, once again, I'll bite. What does "regeneration" have to do with politics?"

An understanding of the nature and composition of man is essential to understanding man as a political being. The Founding Fathers (many of whom were Calvinists) understood the nature of man, and thus crafted our founding documents accordingly. There is a huge difference between those who realize just how rotten natural man is, and those who assume that man is basically good.

Democrats, by and large, believe that man is basically good, and that a change to his environment, etc. would bring out the best in him. As a result, they throw our dollars at any and every problem. We, on the other hand, know that man is rotten to the core, and requires different solutions to his problems. We believe that man needs, first of all, regeneration, and a new heart.

47 posted on 02/04/2002 7:19:08 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: moyden; OrthodoxPresbyterian; jamits
However, once again, I'll bite. What does "regeneration" have to do with politics?
Some might criticize you for putting that up there, saying this is a political, not a religious site. But actually the ideas you posted are very relevant to the current war on terrorism. What you posted is the epitome of the Christian view of humanity and salvation. The human being cannot save himself. Human works cannot bring in the Kingdom of God; the "wrath of man works not the righteousness of God". In Islam, by contrast, the "wrath of man" does work the righteousness of God. People can attain righteousness, as far as we know it, by their works and bring in the God's will on earth through their enforcement of God's law. In Islam sin is only about outward acts and so sin can be eliminated by forcing people to conform to God's law. Hence, if a source of sin can be eliminated by a terrorist act, that is a good thing.

3 posted on 2/1/02 6:37 AM Pacific by jamits

Furthermore, no system can be sustained without an underlying appeal to a transcendental authority. Hence, the reason that there is a move in this country to try to strip us of our Reformed roots. Change the source of our appeal and you fundamentally change the nature of our system.

Those of us who are regenerated know that we must constantly reveal the Source of our moral foundation and fight to defend it from those who would tear it down. Our country was founded by a moral religious people for a moral religious people. This is why among the first freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights is religious freedom. This is why Communism first supresses the peoples free press and religious freedom. Our founding fathers has a specific reason to list things the way that they did.

48 posted on 02/04/2002 7:25:04 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: moyden; editor-surveyor
This is what ES (and others) have been alluding to:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - Jesus, as recorded in Matthew's Gospel, Chapter 7, verses 13 & 14.

49 posted on 02/04/2002 7:26:05 AM PST by Jerry_M
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