George Bush's Big Government Adventure

Free Republic and Various ^ | 01-30-02 | aaabest

[AAABEST]

With Conservative Like This, Who Needs Liberals?

Let me start off by addressing those who have been bashing(and I do mean bash) me and other well intentioned and well known Freepers as being anti-Bush, Libertarians, from the reform party or whatever. 

I voted for GWB, and I can ping several freepers to this thread that met me in real life at several Bush rallies (with megaphone in hand). I was a member of the Broward County Young Republicans before moving to the West coast of Florida and I was active in Jeb Bush's campaign for Governor. 

I've been on this forum for almost 4 years and anyone that knows me is aware of my conservative views and knows that I'm not a member of the reform party, I'm not a Libertarian (large "l") or any of the other things I and others like me have been accused of.

If you have been engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, bashing long-time, well known Freepers or acting like children because not all of us are enthralled with "Georges Big Government Adventure",  please try to control yourselves, at least while posting on this thread. 

It's not my purpose (at least at this point) to get GWB un-elected, I like him, he has a beautiful wife, he's a good Commander in Chief and he seems like an honest politician. However,  if he keeps ignoring conservative principles and promoting a larger more intrusive government, I and others can no longer continue to support him....on principle. 

We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

Above is the Free Republic mission statement.  After his first year, would anyone say that GWB has worked towards this end? I think many conservatives suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a result of 8 years of President Clinton, because when I ask many of them what GWB has done for conservatism lately, all I get is that he's not Clinton. 

I know he's not a corrupt, law breaking scoundrel, but is that all that's required? Can our republic survive a cycle where Republicans get into office grow government greatly, interspersed with Democrats who grow government even more greatly with little or no reduction? There are actually people on FR that think all of this growth in government spending is some grandiose 8 year plan by Mr. Bush to fool Democrats so that he can cut government later. What an absurd notion.

If any of the initiatives below originated from the Clinton administration, people on FR would have had a cow. Those "Day in the Life of President Bush" threads garner hundreds of fawning responses, while a thread on how our government is growing out of control will die after 10.

I appeal to anyone reading this to consider the below information without bias. The links will open in a separate window for you convenience.  I will be adding to this information as necessary God bless America, God bless this forum and God bless you.

Click on the Picture of the President (thinking of new ways grow government) for the corresponding article.

	Huge education spending bill (i.e. Federal Local School Board Bribery Act) which liberal Democrats love that doesn't mention a word about choice or local control.
	Food stamps for immigrants.
	Largest spending bill in American History. The first to exceed 2 trillion dollars.
	The Airport Security Bill that completely takes control of over 28,000 screening jobs. Now it seems that they don't even have to be high school graduates either. The big difference, they can't be fired.
	100 million for welfare moms.
	Hugely Expanding Clinton's Amercorps boondoggle that all conservatives railed against.
	Kowtowing to law breaking illegal immigrants by proposing amnesty. Speaking of illegal immigrants who sneak across the border; "And we've got to respect that, seems like to me, and treat those people with respect," he added. "I remind people all across our country: Family values do not stop at the border."
.	38 Billion for a new Homeland Security bureaucracy that allots a 20% increase for border control. Guess what. It goes to our problematic Canadian border, with not a dollar spent on the Mexican border. Read it for yourself
	The  Orwellian "Patriot Act" that gives Federal authorities carte blanche to rifle through all of your digital communications and essentially,  rob your house without notice.
	71.5 billion over 10 years for government health care.
	Not releasing appropriate documents on Clinton and FBI corruption.

 

[AAABEST]

OY!!!!

Joe, quit sending me freepmails and please start posting again or I'll keep "baiting" you. You're much missed.

[Ben Ficklin]

The idealists don't much care for Bush. The realists know what he is up against.

The idealists think that Bush should be Ruling as a Monarch. The realists know that the man barely got in.

The idealists think they saw Bush kissing Ted Kennedy's ass over the ED bill. The realists saw him blowing smoke up Ted's ass.

[Arleigh]

You've hit the nail on the head. Excellent post.

There's no real differences between the Demopublican and Republicrat parties any more. They're just offering two different flavors of Socialism - like a choice between milk chocolate or dark chocolate ice cream.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

But none of that will happen with the obstructionist senate we currently have

You must be speaking of DASCHLE.. and your right!!! He alone is blocking legislation that a majority of the Senate would approve right now. Like the Stimulas Package!!! I heard last night.. that he ALONE is blocking 49 such votes.

I happen to think it is going to backfire miserably for the Dems. Bad timing....

I also think that is way to much power for ONE man who isn't even President!!!..and the main reason we can't get anything done right now,. when it is so badly needed!!(besides catering to lobbyists with Pork Barrel Spending issues and a dire need for Campaign Finance Reform!!!)

[A.J.Armitage]

The idealists think that Bush should be Ruling as a Monarch.

I, for one, would like to see the president reduced to a constitutionally limited executive. I'd like to see them all reduced to their constitutional roles.

[ex-snook]

In either case, Bush was too close for a "conservative".

[Sir Gawain]

I, for one, would like to see the president reduced to a constitutionally limited executive. I'd like to see them all reduced to their constitutional roles.

Ha ha! Oh wait, you were serious.

[TLBSHOW]

What about the Presidential candidate who said, "I trust the people, not the government." That is the candidate I supported. Hmmmm, I wonder where he went????

What do you people think he said about service? Think please...........

[AAABEST]

Old-Timers ping

[blackie]

Both posts # 93 and # 104 are right-on, good job !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

[MadelineZapeezda]

I'm "holding my fire" until after this year's mid-term elections.

My sediments exactly. Well said.

[Jim Robinson]

No you are not wrong. Something must be done. But there is no magic solution that I can see and there is no one man who can make it happen. And despite Browne's claims to the contrary, it will take more than a morning's worth of pen scratching to wipe out a century's worth of socialist expansion. It will require firing up huge masses of people and lighting a fire under our congress. Perot took a shot, but got lost under the hood. Bucahnan tried parades, but the pitchfork brigade's torches flamed out. Keyes is trying to re-introduce the people to God, but is gonna need an awful lot of prayer with this hopeless populace. Guess the people are not interested in revolution, restoration or resurrection. What's next? How do you reach a population that has been brainwashed by socialist propaganda? How do you reverse the damage done to three generations of citizens?

[First_Salute]

Next to last paragraph, reply 100, above; please amend to this:

Bush could have, and he should have, mentioned the idea within days of Sept. 11, 2001; and then he should have used his office to keep on reminding people of this idea; and in the wish of the people to participate in the defense of our country and communities, I believe from what I saw then, there would have been a tremendous turnout.

He (and some of his advisors' mindless concerns for not disrupting labor relations with the Democrats on Capitol Hill), wasted a very important moment.

Well, I happen to think he can actually get it back. But!

[And please continue with the last paragraph in reply 100, above; thanks.]

[cpressroll]

I wish we could elect someone who would make Dubya look like Ted Kennedy by comparison but I voted for Bush because no such candidate as I really wanted was available. People tend to forget that as disgusting as the Democrats generallly are many of the worst pieces of legislation in recent history were given us by the Republicans. The only President in my lifetime to use wage and price controls was Republican and he had some ideas that would have pleased any totalitarian dictator you could name. I go to sleep at night and try to dream of an America governed by the original constitution because I know that I will never see it for real.

[AAABEST]

and there is no one man who can make it happen.

I guess you haven't read your own life story yet.

In case you haven't heard Jim, without you he wouldn't be President. Fact of life, not opinion.

[Poohbah]

You reach them one at a time, with patience--a virtue far too many conservatives lack.

Conservatives are too free-market for politics. The marketplace rewards or punishes you VERY quickly compared to politics--and too many of us want everything fixed RIGHT NOW! We tried it in 1995--and got our backsides handed to us.

[TransOxus]

Unfortunately, this is the unpleasant truth. The RINOs are in charge in Washington much to the detriment of the Republican Party and its Conservative principles. Bush barely squeaked in with the help of anti-Clinton sentiment. Clinton was so far to the left that he made RINOs look like they were to the right. Instead of drastically rolling back the abuses of the liberals in the past,the RINOs pay lip service to Conservatives while enlarging big government, not shutting the door to anti-American immigrants, have citizens lose more freedoms since 911 when the solution is take away the freedom of the region these thugs come from, etc. The losing election results in 2001 clearly indicates the phoniness of the popularity polls and what a lousy job the current RINO leadership is doing. The RINOs precipitating to the left have no more anti-Clinton feelings to help them win in coming elections. They are of course busy halting investigations of Clinton abuses as they just want to get along and seem above the fray of being political!

[Ahban]

The Constitution Party. NOW!

Support Bush for President one more term, but work for Constitution Party candidates for lower offices. We have until 2008 to get a conservative party competitive.

[Prov3456]

My point exactly!

[Arleigh]

If you do not want to support Bush, who are you going to support?

Sometimes, you must take a step back to move forward. (Think Chairman Mao said that...)

Supporting faux conservatives because they are "better" than liberals only encourages them. Yes, Bush is better than Gore. But if Bush lost, maybe the Republicrats would have learned the perils of taking their base for granted, and come back stronger in `04. Maybe Gore would have been so bad that whoever ran against him in `04 would have been a shoe-in. Instead, the Republicrats "learned" the lesson that they can always count on white guys to vote for them, and the key to victory is pandering to soccer moms and minorities with more government giveaways.

I voted for Bush, but with reservations. Now I realize that I hurt the cause of conservatism by doing so. IMHO Republicrat Party needs to be rejected by true conservatives - even at the risk of electing Hillary - until it sees the error of its ways. I plan to vote however will cause the most damage to the Republicrat Party in `04.