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Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | January 29, 2002 | Rev. Louis P. Sheldon

Posted on 01/29/2002 5:13:49 AM PST by simicyber

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To: justshutupandtakeit
Since you are an atheist I cannot expect that you will comprehend the existence of spiritual forces for good and evil and thereby will be unable to correctly chose between the two. But cultures and civilizations are spiritual organisms that stretch across time and space and live within a brief moment of time.

So you're saying that public schools are an inherent good, and God wants us to have them (but my atheism just won't let me understand)?

Is that your point?

341 posted on 01/30/2002 11:30:19 AM PST by OWK
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To: Don Myers
Not according to the gays.

Who exactly are "the gays"?

Are all gays identical?

342 posted on 01/30/2002 11:32:31 AM PST by OWK
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To: HENRYADAMS
Sorry. That is what it says. See California Civil Code section 22. Law is Will.

Don't believe everything you read.

Particularly when it comes from California.

343 posted on 01/30/2002 11:36:12 AM PST by OWK
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To: HENRYADAMS
[California] CIVIL CODE SECTION 22-22.2

22. Law is a solemn expression of the will of the supreme power of the State.

22.1. The will of the supreme power is expressed:
(a) By the Constitution.
(b) By statutes.

22.2. The common law of England, so far as it is not repugnant to or inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States, or the Constitution or laws of this State, is the rule of decision in all the courts of this State.

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Henry, you need to read the above yourself.
-- The underlined portions clearly indicate that the 'will of the supreme power' of the state derives from common law, and from our constitutions, which are empowered by the people.

The state has only delegated power.

344 posted on 01/30/2002 12:15:31 PM PST by tpaine
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Seeing you are using personal observations to support your points on public education, -- here's mine.

Some of the smartest, truly well educated people I've met started from one room country schools of the early/mid 1900's. Granted, they were 'public', in the sense that a group of neighbors got together, built a schoolhouse, and hired a teacher. -- But they were a far cry from the institutions we have now. - And the kids are the worse for it.

In those days, only larger communities had high schools, [many of which were private] and again, the smaller the school, the better educated the children, imo.

The state run, consolidated public school system is an observable failure.

346 posted on 01/30/2002 12:56:23 PM PST by tpaine
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To: ArGee
Often alcoholics need to reach a bottom. If they are not enabled they reach it sooner. However, that really can hurt them and some of the people they love. A recent approach is called "intervention" which is a very disciplined opportunity for the ones they love to let them know how much damage they're causing and hope they see the light before they hit bottom. Hitting bottom includes such things as being fired, losing your friends, losing your family, etc.

So how do we know when homosexuals have "reached a bottom"?

Sorry, I'll go back to lurking now.
347 posted on 01/30/2002 4:17:17 PM PST by Spallenzani
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To: erizona
Could it be that you know that there isn't enough homos in the world to fund the research needed to find cures for "THEIR" diseases?

From what I understand HIV/AIDS are quite prevalent among heterosexual populations in Africa; while I don't approve of promoscuous heterosexual anal sex any more than homosexual anal sex, it's not just a "gay" disease.

I would agree with you that it's not really proper for the government to be spending large amounts of taxpayers' money on AIDS research. I would differ, however, in suggesting that the expenditure of such funds justifies government restrictions on private homosexual behavior. If someone contracts HIV/AIDS through their own stupidity, they should face the consequences. Activities put at risk those who do not behave stupidly or immorally [e.g. donation of blood by someone known to be HIV-positive without the 'confidential do-not-use sticker'] should be punished, regardless of the sexual orientation of the person doing them.

348 posted on 01/30/2002 5:28:57 PM PST by supercat
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To: CubicleGuy
Left-handed, ambidextrous, what's the difference? Ooh, and what if you kids' public school teacher is a "leftie"? Just what kind of agenda are your kids being exposed to, anyway?

I prefer "ambisinistrous," thank you very much...

As for the teacher issue, that's been covered too. Abram Blau's The Master Hand of 1946 describes a school in which 16 of 34 2nd graders wrote with the left hand. Why? Because the first and second grade teachers in the school were left-handed.

Make no mistake, we WILL steal your children. Sleep tight.

349 posted on 01/30/2002 5:47:37 PM PST by Condorman
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To: OWK
"Are all gays identical?"

Yes, when you talk about the gay movement and aims.

350 posted on 01/30/2002 8:23:35 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
"Are all gays identical?"

Yes, when you talk about the gay movement and aims.

To say all gays agree with the aims of Act Up et al. would be no more accurate than saying all Blacks agree with the aims of Rainbow/PUSH.

In both cases, the organizations which claim to represent a large group of people act in a manner detrimental to the group they're supposed to help, and rely upon the media to foster the image of widespread support.

351 posted on 01/30/2002 9:02:17 PM PST by supercat
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To: OWK
It's also one of the most true things you have ever read.

Now imagine that idiots like this poster are a majority of voters......oh wait, they already are.

Are you scared yet?

L

352 posted on 01/30/2002 9:12:07 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Lurker
You ever get the feeling we're living in the land of Lilliput?
353 posted on 01/30/2002 9:20:33 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Spallenzani
So how do we know when homosexuals have "reached a bottom"?

When they start asking for help to leave the homosexual lifestyle. You don't judge it for them, you just help them when they ask.

One friend of mine said he had a complete mental and nervous breakdown. That was the thing for him. Of course, it almost destroyed him. It would be far better if the mentally ill could see the need for help, and get it, before things get that bad.

It's a difficult thing. There are the ill and the enablers, but there is also the fact that dealing with mental illness is not as exact as dealing with physical illness. But one thing I do know, it doesn't do anyone any good to tell them they really don't have a problem.

Happy lurking!

Shalom.

354 posted on 01/31/2002 6:07:11 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Don Myers
"Are all gays identical?"

Yes, when you talk about the gay movement and aims.

Exceptionally silly response.

Congratulations.

355 posted on 01/31/2002 6:50:12 AM PST by OWK
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To: tpaine
Apparently you haven't met enough people. Very few of the leaders in science or any other field come from one room schoolhouses this century. Even small towns in Arkansas had high schools such as the one where I received an excellent education. BECAUSE I WANTED ONE.

There are many outstanding people educated by the public schools throughout our nation's history.

Most of the attackers of public schools simply don't know what they are talking about. Millions of children are educated every year successfully by them.

Could they be better? Sure. We should strive to make them better not wholesale lies and misconceptions about them. Or pretend there is a private alternative for the masses. There isn't.

356 posted on 01/31/2002 7:06:35 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: OWK
Are you trying to be an idiot?

Of course, your statement has no bearing on what I said. It is foolish to expect those who do not believe that mankind is primarily spiritual to understand those concepts which point beyond material or physical existence. People for whom faith in a higher being is important don't have to justify doing something for the future generations and can see beyond their individual existence. Whereas the materialist would just ask "Who cares? How will this affect me?"

Thus, spiritually inclined people understand that the establishment of school systems to train the citizens of the future is very important and cannot be entirely done by private endeavors. At one point in human history knowledge was hoarded and restricted to small groups as within the Mysteries. Teaching was thru individual Masters and not for the uninitiated.

Later it was restricted (not on pain of death for dissemination as in the Mysteries) and only spread amidst the wealthy or those sponsored by the wealthy. As the concept of equality (only spiritual equality makes any sense since obviously men are unequal in virtually every other respect), freedom (once again only comprehensible as spiritual freedom) and democracy spread so did the understanding that there would have to be wide public knowledge spread through public schools or our Republic would never succeed.

Those with no belief in a spiritual world have great difficulty in understanding much about how this world has developed. They cannot understand either freedom or equality. How can one explain events such as 9/11 without an understanding of the role of Evil in the affairs of mankind? And one cannot understand Evil unless he understands the concept of God.

357 posted on 01/31/2002 7:24:53 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Are you trying to be an idiot?

I keep trying, but it never seems to happen for me.

Got any pointers?

358 posted on 01/31/2002 7:26:50 AM PST by OWK
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Thus, spiritually inclined people understand that the establishment of school systems to train the citizens of the future is very important and cannot be entirely done by private endeavors.

And God said "let there be public schools, so that the majority may rob the minority of their property, to promote ideas they do not support".

359 posted on 01/31/2002 7:40:44 AM PST by OWK
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Those with no belief in a spiritual world have great difficulty in understanding much about how this world has developed. They cannot understand either freedom or equality.

You mean like the freedom to rob your neighbors, to advance ideas your neighbors oppose?

360 posted on 01/31/2002 7:42:39 AM PST by OWK
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