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To: Ol' Sparky
"Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations." (Gould, Stephen J. and Eldredge, Niles, "Species Selection: Its Range and Power," 1988, p. 19)

"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nods of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. Yet Darwin was so wedded to gradualism that he wagered his entire theory on a denial of this literal record." (Gould, Stephen J. "The Panda’s Thumb, 1980, p. 181)

"Large evolutionary innovations are not well understood. None has ever been observed, and we have no idea whether any may be in progress. There is no good fossil record of any." (Wesson, R., Beyond Natural Selection, 1991, p. 206)

"Species that were once thought to have turned into others have been found to overlap in time with these alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does not convincingly document a single transition from one species to another." (Stanley, S.M., The New Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin of Species, 1981, p. 95)

"It is, however, very difficult to establish the precise lines of descent, termed phylogenies, for most organisms." (Ayala, F. J. and Valentine J. W., Evolving: The Theory and Process of Organic Evolution, 1978, p. 230)

"Many fossils have been collected since 1859, tons of them, yet the impact they have had on our understanding of the relationships between living organisms is barely perceptible. ...In fact, I do not think it unfair to say that fossils, or at least the traditional interpretation of fossils, have clouded rather than clarified our attempts to reconstruct phylogeny." (Fortey, P. L., "Neontological Analysis Versus Palaeontological Stores," 1982, p. 120-121)

Liar. I challenge you to place these quotes in the context that they were originally taken by researching on the internet or in the original book or paper that they were quoted from. After all, you did research this work on your own, correct? Therefore you should have these original works on hand, right? No credible scientist or researcher would never accept someone else's work without at least researching it themselves to verify its veracity. I suggest you do the same. It would prevent embarrassments like my prior challenges to you. Best hop to it, Liar for Christ, your credibility has nearly run out on this group.

566 posted on 02/04/2002 5:48:28 AM PST by ThinkPlease
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To: ThinkPlease
Liar. I challenge you to place these quotes in the context that they were originally taken by researching on the internet or in the original book or paper that they were quoted from

Did you see my post # 498 on that very issue! :)

567 posted on 02/04/2002 5:53:35 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: ThinkPlease
Best hop to it, Liar for Christ, your credibility has nearly run out on this group.

Please, try to be more charitable. I really don't think he's deliberately lying. If that were so, he would make some attempts to appear credible. There is not even the hint of any duplicity involved here. What we are witnessing is a truly feeble mind at work. He's desperately copying, cutting, and pasting from his creationist sources, that's true, but it's all done without understanding. Much as some Hindoo spins the prayer wheel, unthinking, but with undying faith that this mindless activity will have its reward.

568 posted on 02/04/2002 6:10:32 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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