Hey, that's an interesting line of argument! If Sparky, Wallace, Morris, & friends are correct, then a perpetual motion machine should be possible - if only you put enough effort & design work into it. A simple perpetual motion machine won't work. Only a highly designed perpetual motion machine, with lots & lots of organizing principles behind it, will work.Let's suppose you wanted to build a water wheel where there was no natural stream. You want to divert some of your mill's output to pumping water back upstream to feed your mill continuously from an artificial reservoir which you will fill manually the first time, hauling the water by truck.
This scheme will not work. The first law of thermo (conservation of energy) says you can't win. The second law says you can't even break even; you're certain to come out behind with every cycle and rapidly grind to a halt. For all that this scheme has a Designer and lots of organizing input etc. etc. it can't work.
But when you site your mill on a natural stream, you have the sun raising your water back to the top of the mountains for you. Yes, your God would seem to be a Sun God here. Note that this version works because the earth is not a closed system.
It isn't having a Designer or an organizing principle or whatever that makes a difference, and no non-creationist version of the second law mentions any such thing ever. It's having an energy source to pay the entropy bill. The second law says you have to have that and we do. No miracles needed.
I see a multi-level marketing project here. We could get rich! =:-D
Obviously, if it's possible at all, we just haven't had a smart-enough designer yet! Too many hucksters are ready to take your money if you like that argument.
A variation: there's this huge zero-point energy (of the vacuum) and we can tap into that to do work. Every such scheme runs into either the first law or the second.
I see a multi-level marketing project here. We could get rich! =:-D
They're way ahead of you, jenny. Did you ever see the promotional material on the "Cinncinati Group's" "Home Alchemy Kit" ($2999 ea. Satisfaction guaranteed.) A bunch of defrocked scientists, with links to some of "medved's" favorite "experts," working in their basement/garage laboratories discovered a method of Alchemy "based on scriptural principles" (I'm NOT making this up!) They were supposedly going to market Home Alchemy kits to "qualified" buyers.
Of course, all traces of the Alchemy system and the company that was developing/marketing it have completely disappeared without a trace from the web.
Who would have ever imagined such a thing? Or, to quote a favorite film:
"I'm shocked, shocked to discover gambling going on here! What's this? Oh, my winnings! Thank you very much." -- Prefect of Police, 1942, "Casablanca"