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To: longshadow; Ol'Sparky
From your link: It means that the second law energetically FAVORS -- yes, inexorably predicts – complex, geometrically ordered molecules can form from utterly simple atoms of elements.

Game, set, and match. And what's the "ordering principle" that tells the atoms how to combine? Their electron orbitals. What determines those? The laws of Quantum Mechanics. And so proceed where Physicist doesn't fear to tread but I do.

386 posted on 02/02/2002 5:46:58 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Anyone that doesn't think the Second Law doesn't apply to life on this planet and the planet as a whole is an utter moron that either doesn't understand the Second Law or is willing to commit intellectual suicide to ignore it.

All life and physical systems on this planet will become more disorderly, decay and die. That is the implication of the Second Law and evolution completely contradicts this established law of science.

“The universe is thus progressing toward an ultimate ‘heat death’ or, as it is technically defined, a condition of ‘maximum entropy’ . . And there is no way of avoiding this destiny. For the fateful principle known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which stands today as the principal pillar of classical physics left intact by the march of science, proclaims that the fundamental processes of nature are irreversible. Nature moves only one way.” [Lincoln Barnett, The Universe and Dr. Einstein (1957), pp. 102-103.]

"Of all the statements that have been made with respect to theories on the origin of life, the statement that the Second Law of Thermodynamics poses no problem for an evolutionary origin of life is the most absurd... The operation of natural processes on which the Second Law of Thermodynamics is based is alone sufficient, therefore, to preclude the spontaneous evolutionary origin of the immense biological order required for the origin of life." (Duane Gish, Ph.D. in biochemistry from University of California at Berkeley)

387 posted on 02/02/2002 7:44:17 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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