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To: Ol' Sparky
The second law only requires that the entropy for the entire universe always increases. If a local system undergoes a decrease in entropy, the surroundings must undergo an increase in entropy. Thus, either an increase or a decrease of entropy can occur in a local system.

Ah! So now you DO admit that entropy CAN spontaneously decrease locally, at the expense of the entropy of the surroundings. Very good. So there's no problem with Evolution versus the 2LoT, right?

The issue is not whether a decrease in entropy can occur, but rather, what is occurring in the surroundings to cause the decrease in entropy?

Well, that's not exactly correct. The surroundings simply receive and diffuse energy, hence the entropy of the surroundings goes up. This doesn't "cause" the entropy of the local system embedded in the surroundings to experience a decrease in entropy. The system experiences a entropy decrease because whatever happens within the system results in a local increase in the available free energy; the surroundings are just a thermodynamic junk yard, a source or sink for energy, depending on the nature of the thermodynamic process.

So how much collegiate study of Thermodynamics have you had?

315 posted on 02/01/2002 8:58:40 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
So how much collegiate study of Thermodynamics have you [ol' sparkey] had?

Now you're being unfair, by deliberately and publicly asking the guy whether he knows anything about the subject at hand. Be gentle with him. All he's got is a 32-page pamphlet, probably titled "25 Guaranteed Sure-Fire Arguments to Use Against Those Durn Eeee-vooo-luuuu-shunists"; and all he can do is keep using those arguments over and over again. Hey, they're guaranteed to work. Why don't you just fold in the face of such wisdom?

317 posted on 02/01/2002 9:30:38 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: longshadow
So what?

The idea that Second Law doesn't apply to life on this planet is utterly absurd. Any physical system (life) will decay, lose energy and organization. In other words, ALL life forms on this earth are becoming more disorderly, losing energy and organization and will eventually die. That does contradict the Second Law.

318 posted on 02/01/2002 9:37:00 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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