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To: Ol' Sparky
What I know is that evolution defies laws of science,.... [snip]

Shouting that for the nth + 1 time doesn't make any more true than the first time. Why do you refuse to discuss the numerous explanations that have been offerred to you in good faith on this thread as to how Evolution does NOT violate the 2LoT?

I see you also forgot to respond to my other question: Have you ever studied Thermodynamics at a collegiate level?

Can you explain how weather systems can spontaneously form and NOT violate the 2LoT the way you and Morris think Evolution does?

310 posted on 02/01/2002 8:23:08 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
The universe and earth as whole are going from order to disorder. It's not arguable that entropy is increasing in both the universe and on this planet. That's fact. A weather system forming or water turning to ice does not negete the fact that earth and universe are becoming more disorderly. Only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Evolution is based on the reverse idea that the earth is becoming more orderly and evolving. That totally contradicts Second Law.

With this understanding of entropy, then, we can better state the second law of thermodynamics. First, entropy measures disorder. Second, the universe always goes from order to disorder; the entropy of the universe always increases. Now, one of the first questions is whether entropy in an "open" local system can ever decrease. The second law only requires that the entropy for the entire universe always increases. If a local system undergoes a decrease in entropy, the surroundings must undergo an increase in entropy. Thus, either an increase or a decrease of entropy can occur in a local system. The issue is not whether a decrease in entropy can occur, but rather, what is occurring in the surroundings to cause the decrease in entropy?

313 posted on 02/01/2002 8:45:04 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: longshadow
The Second Law of Thermodynamics -- This is my all-time favorite. To refute this law, you either have to be a liar or ignorant of science totally. This law tells us that anything which is organized , tends with time, to become disorganized. Any physical system left to itself will decay, or , lose energy and organization within the system. Instead of being highly organized like our earth's system, everything tends to become gradually disorganized. Chemical processes will reach equilibrium then become inert. In other words, this law says the increase of information required for a life form to evolve could not happen as this increase in information by itself violates the law. Evolutionists would have you believe in a constant increase in order strictly by chance millions of times. Not possible!! In fact, evolutionists have cited ice cubes and bridges as an example of this law being violated. Absurd! Both of these things reach a peak of "order", but from then on are degrading. Besides, these things are "created", so of course they would tend to start off "ordered". Neither of these things, or anything else, can assemble itself from raw materials.

ASIDE: Evolutionists commonly object that the Second Law applies to closed, or isolated systems, and that the Earth is certainly not a closed system (it gets lots of raw energy from the Sun, for example). However, all systems, whether open or closed, tend to deteriorate. For example, living organisms are open systems but they all decay and die. Also, the universe in total is a closed system. To say that the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into the human brain with its 120 trillion connections is a clear violation of the Second Law.

316 posted on 02/01/2002 9:27:23 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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