The Cross vs. the Swastika

Boundless ^ | 1/26/02 | Matt Kaufman

[PatrickHenry]

I'm late posting this, but I didn't realize how totally insane things would become in this thread.

So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review: The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 14].

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massive mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
10: CREATION-EVOLUTION ENCYCLOPEDIA (Creation oriented)
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!

[RadioAstronomer]

Why even try. The "science" (or lack there of) quoted by O'l Sparky I find truly appalling. There are a huge number of really good resources on the web that explain in great detail every fallacy he has stated. All he need is to do a google search and read.

[livius]

" I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me....the highest and most desirable ideal." (Quote from Mein Kampf)

I don't think he meant "moral ideal." What Hitler was referring to was the clergy's ceremonial leadership position that impressed him so much as a child. Later, as dictator, he constantly attempted to produce spectacles and events that would emulate and replace religious ceremonies in the life of the German people. And of course, the person at the center of these new rites would be - who else but Adolf himself?

[RadioAstronomer]

Patrick's famous list-o-links with Junior's ultimate resource. There is truly a phenomenal amount of information in those two. :)

[Paul Ross]

That is a very telling quote from Albert Einstein. I haven't seen that quote before. I must expand my reading...

[RadioAstronomer]

I stay away from those arguments. No win situation. Even the CvE arguments are wearing thin.

[PatrickHenry]

Why even try. The "science" (or lack there of) quoted by O'l Sparky I find truly appalling.

I'm certainly not trying to persuade O'l Sparky. As you know, when we encounter such an intellectual brick wall, we are really putting up our side of things for the lurkers.

But there's more at stake here. Observe this comment of his, at post 74: "Why do you continue to promote and blindly believe this fairy tale[evolution] while claiming to be a Christian?" It's stuff like that which gives Christianity (and conservatism) a bad name, and it's why these debates are so essential on FreeRepublic.

[RadioAstronomer]

Fair enough! :)

[RadioAstronomer]

It is funny how they get old so quickly.

Indeed, but PatrickHenry is right! :)

[VadeRetro]

No one seems to have taken up Sparky's whale gambit. For the lurkers who may be wondering if he has any point, I wearily dredge up what most have seen repeatedly.

A crude picture here:

Lesson: Whale Evolution. Alas, more of a lesson plan than an article.

A good whale history page:

Introduction to the Cetacea.

[longshadow]

If the total energy available in the universe were zero, everything in it would be dead. If available energy in the universe were zero, everything in it would be dead. [snip]

Total energy, as in NET total energy, can be zero AND can still provide positive energy for naturally occurring thermodynamic processes. Think about it it.

If Evolution is true, there must be an extremely powerful force or mechanism at work in the cosmos that can steadily defeat the powerful, ultimate tendency toward "disarrangedness" brought by the 2nd Law. If such an important force or mechanism is in existence, it would seem it should be quite obvious to all scientists. Yet, the fact is, no such force of nature has been found.

You ignored what I said regarding the 2LoT. I repeat: there is nothing in the 2nd Law that precludes local decreases in entropy as long as the total entropy of the system and its environment experiences a net increase.

Ignoring my point and repeating your assertion that Evolution somehow violates the 2LoT doesn't make it true.

[imdickson]

Just a note: Darwin revealed the processes of natural selection. He didn't invent them. What has been termed racialism in a few posts existed in ancient times and reading Herodotus you learn that the loser in a war gave up his best men to castration or murder (preventing the best in the loser's population from breeding) and the best women were made concubines of the victor. Since in Herodotus' time religions were ethnically based, warfare based on ethnic cleansing/racialism/racism or whatever term you want to use for it predated Nazism and Christianity as did anti-Semitism. In the Book of Daniel (2:43), Daniel tells King Nebuchadnezzar, "As in your vision, the iron was mixed with common clay, so shall men mix with each other by intermarriage. But such alliances shall not be stable: iron does not mix with clay." What is Daniel saying? He's saying marry well and marry the iron, not the common clay. Nehemiah, the prophet pulled men by the hair when they married outside of their race. "Social Darwinism" did not begin with Darwin. It's in the Old Testament as early as Genesis. It's also in the Vedas. ol' sparky - I'm not necessarily responding to your post but I'm new and have to get a handle on how these threads work. im d.

[PatrickHenry]

I'm new and have to get a handle on how these threads work.

Your post was fine, but in time you will learn that with a guy like Ol' Sparky, he will probably ignore what you say and go on repeating his dogma. The evolution/creationism threads are full of people like that. It's frustrating, but don't let it get to you.

[Doctor Doom]

You are right on that - I only offered that to refute the assertion that lil' Adolf did not attend church regularly.