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To: Jerry_M
Real free will includes the capability to decide for or against. One cannot say that real free will is simply the freedom to do what one wants unless one is CAPABLE of wanting anything

Jesus was capable of desiring anything. He chose not to desire some things. "Father take this cup from me. (an inner desire). Yet not my will but thine be done (an inner desire.)" In this passage Jesus desired BOTH sides of a decision about the cross. He freely chose to do the Father's will.

Since Jesus understands REAL FREE WILL, and since "all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made," and since He is the 2nd Person of the Trinity, and He is all-Powerful, therefore, be it affirmed that God is POWERFUL ENOUGH to make it so that mankind has real free will, to include the capability to "want" both sides of any issue.

919 posted on 01/24/2002 7:08:49 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins, the_doc, Jerry_M, zadok, CCWoody
Since Jesus understands REAL FREE WILL, and since "all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made," and since He is the 2nd Person of the Trinity, and He is all-Powerful, therefore, be it affirmed that God is POWERFUL ENOUGH to make it so that mankind has real free will, to include the capability to "want" both sides of any issue.

Yup.

And be it now, further affirmed, that all of the spiritually-vital, God-pleasing Wants of Man's original Nature are lying dead in a pool of their own blood at the base of the Tree of Knowledge, murdered by Man's own hand. That ever since the Fall, his Will is free, but the Wants which inform his Will have been wholly remanded over to depravity and hatred of God.

Taken together, then, Man has free will, and Man hates God; and so he hates God freely and willfully.

925 posted on 01/24/2002 7:19:14 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: xzins
Your #919 again:

God is POWERFUL ENOUGH to make it so that mankind has real free will, to include the capability to "want" both sides of any issue.
... and that is just what He has done!

All of Calvinism lies in ruin at your feet, thanks to this one post! You have carried all before you!

935 posted on 01/24/2002 7:48:15 AM PST by White Mountain
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