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I have seen the half-truths, double talk, misrepresentation and generally lack of Christian charity that this group engages in (even with you!)

I am friendly toward O.P. and RnMomof7. I obviously do not regard the others in the same way.

It seems that you and some others somehow think that there is only one kind of Calvinist. There are actually quite a variety of Calvinists. From your own viewpoint, I would suggest that closer investigation would reveal significant differences between Calvinist factions. But perhaps an Arminian might find those differences unimportant. Personally, I try to recognize the doctrinal differences within the Arminian camp because there is such a variety.

It's always easy to look over the fence and think that those on the other side are really all the same. It really would be convenient if it were absolutely true.

It seems that you and some others somehow think that there is only one kind of Calvinist. There are actually quite a variety of Calvinists. From your own viewpoint, I would suggest that closer investigation would reveal significant differences between Calvinist factions. But perhaps an Arminian might find those differences unimportant. Personally, I try to recognize the doctrinal differences within the Arminian camp because there is such a variety.

Totally untrue. It is OP that talks about scratching an Arminian and finding a Pelegian. It is, the Calvinist's on this thread who refuse to even look at the other side, not from a heretical camp, but another Christian camp that sees the same scripture from a different view.

Instead of appeals to Scripture and reason, what we get is dogmatic, and condescending attitude that states 'you would understand if you were a Calvinist.

These are important questions that are being discussed, they need to be discussed with the knowledge that the other side just may have a point or two. I am not saying the views cannot be expressed forcefully, but it would seem that the Calvinists do not want to discuss,but to pontificate.