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To: RaceBannon, RnMomof7
It is not our belief that was predestined

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44)

77 posted on 01/20/2002 7:45:37 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44)

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Hank

90 posted on 01/20/2002 7:55:28 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
True, and in John 16, we read of the Holy Spirit that does the drawing for the world.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.

Without the Holy Spirit drawing us, we would never come to God.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Notice that people are justified by belief in Jesus, not justified by being chosen to be believers.

91 posted on 01/20/2002 7:58:04 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44)

And If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.(Jn.12:32)

Even so, come Lord Jesus

240 posted on 01/20/2002 11:06:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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