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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Did God foreknow that His performance of these miracles in Tyre and Sidon would result in their Repentance unto Salvation? And did God foreknow that His Non-performance of these miracles in Tyre and Sidon would result in their Non-Repentance unto Damnation? And did He not sovereignly Choose to Not Perform these miracles, which had as its perfectly-foreknown result their Non-Repentance unto Damnation, just as He foreknew? Answer me these questions three, and your entire position collapses. You know it, and I know it.

Idid answer them. I guess you think if you post a hundred more times I will be impressed?

According to Calvinism miracles cannot make anyone believe, because man is dead. They first have to be regenerated, so what is all the nonsense about the miracles. What Christ is saying is that the Jews have no excuse for not believing since they saw more then those cities condemned.

Again, I ask you, why are the Jews being rebuked for disbelief if they can't believe until God regenerates them first?

You lose-I win!

744 posted on 01/23/2002 3:22:12 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration, zadok, the_doc, CCWoody, Jerry_M
Idid answer them. I guess you think if you post a hundred more times I will be impressed? According to Calvinism miracles cannot make anyone believe, because man is dead. They first have to be regenerated, so what is all the nonsense about the miracles. What Christ is saying is that the Jews have no excuse for not believing since they saw more then those cities condemned. Again, I ask you, why are the Jews being rebuked for disbelief if they can't believe until God regenerates them first? You lose-I win!

Nah. Let's just throw "calvinism" out the window and say that Man is not spiritually dead, not Totally Depraved, and can, of his own natural State, choose to Repent or Not Repent, without any need to be regenerated.

Nonetheless, you have admitted that God's choice to perform miracles in Tyre would result in them freely choosing Repentance.... and that God's choice to NOT perform miracles in Tyre would result in them freely choosing NON-Repentance.... and that he chose NOT to perform these miracles, which pre-destined them to NOT Repent, and be Damned.

Thus, give Tyre all the free will and natural moral competence in the world, and nonetheless God alone has pre-determined what their decision is going to be.

Oops... wasn't that the whole thing you were trying to avoid?

749 posted on 01/23/2002 3:29:33 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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