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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I'm not buyin' it. Sorry. Why would we warn someone about something that they have no control over? Why don't we just tell them the truth? (according to Calvinism)

"Hey man, you're screwed unless you're one of the lucky few that God has predistined to enter into heaven. Salvation? Well, you can go through the motions, but unless He sees fit to enlighten you, you're still screwed. What if you obey His commandments? Don't you get it? YOU are not obeying anything. God is obeying His commandments through you. You have no choice in the matter."

Does that about sum it up?

So where is faith in all of this? Faith is not faith if I am being willed to believe. If the Lord is the one who "sees fit to enlighten me" then if is not I who believes, but the Lord who believes for me.

709 posted on 01/23/2002 1:24:02 PM PST by solomon_11
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To: solomon_11; OrthodoxPresbyterian
”Does that about sum it up?”

No.

God will grant salvation to all who “call upon the name of the Lord”. However, as stated in Romans 3, no one wants to call on Him for salvation, they are all undone, they are altogther unprofitable. They will not call upon Him unless they are “born again” by the power of His Spirit in regeneration.

711 posted on 01/23/2002 1:27:33 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: solomon_11
I'm not buyin' it. Sorry. Why would we warn someone about something that they have no control over? Why don't we just tell them the truth? (according to Calvinism) "Hey man, you're screwed unless you're one of the lucky few that God has predistined to enter into heaven. Salvation? Well, you can go through the motions, but unless He sees fit to enlighten you, you're still screwed. What if you obey His commandments? Don't you get it? YOU are not obeying anything. God is obeying His commandments through you. You have no choice in the matter." Does that about sum it up? So where is faith in all of this? Faith is not faith if I am being willed to believe. If the Lord is the one who "sees fit to enlighten me" then if is not I who believes, but the Lord who believes for me.

Here it is again:


Matthew 11: 20 - 27 -- Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you." At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.



713 posted on 01/23/2002 1:29:25 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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