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To: Jerry_M
I doubt that, seriously.

Profession of Faith in a Christian Reformed Church in the summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college. I can tell Dutch jokes with the best of them. I've even heard Palmer speak on the Five Points of Calvinism in a series of lectures. The Dutch Reformed Church, the precursor to the Christian Reformed Church, has been well known to be populated by people in the past who thought "If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much" and because I was not born into the Christian Reformed Church, I was considered by some to be a 'heathen' (a direct quote). There are few groups of religious people who are as arrogant as Dutch Reformers, who considered themselves to have a monopoly on the truth contained in the Bible, as they interpreted it. In other words, they thought they were perfect. Will you now still claim that I did not understand your inside joke or that there is an element of truth to it?

Touche'?

657 posted on 01/23/2002 10:05:55 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots; RnMomof7; CCWoody; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Will you now still claim that I did not understand your inside joke..."

Yes, I still contend that you don't understand our inside joke. It is not a Calvinist inside joke, it is a limited number of FR Calvinists' inside joke. It honestly is an inside joke, and you are definitely on the outside.

659 posted on 01/23/2002 10:12:58 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: connectthedots
Sounds to me that your experience with a certain group of so-called Christians caused you to "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Is this why you are so hostile towards the "doctrines of grace"?
661 posted on 01/23/2002 10:18:24 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: connectthedots, Jerry_M, the_doc
Profession of Faith in a Christian Reformed Church in the summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college. I can tell Dutch jokes with the best of them. I've even heard Palmer speak on the Five Points of Calvinism in a series of lectures. The Dutch Reformed Church, the precursor to the Christian Reformed Church, has been well known to be populated by people in the past who thought "If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much" and because I was not born into the Christian Reformed Church, I was considered by some to be a 'heathen' (a direct quote). There are few groups of religious people who are as arrogant as Dutch Reformers, who considered themselves to have a monopoly on the truth contained in the Bible, as they interpreted it. In other words, they thought they were perfect.

FWIW, the problem of "Dutch Reformed arrogance" has been noted by certain Calvinists. There have been criticisms of Dutch Reformed to the effect that they essentially regard Dutch Calvinism as the only "legitimate" brand, holding other national varieties in some disdain.

Remember, after all, it was a Dutchman (Jacobus Arminius) and his Dutch followers (the Remonstrants) who had the unmitigated arrogance to introduce heretical and UnBiblical doctrines of soteriological Synergism into the pure stream of Calvinist predestinarian truth, against the best judgments, advice, and warning of their more-thoughtful peers, willfully poisoning the doctrinal integrity and breaking the unified communion of Reformation Protestantism with their intransigent advocacy of error. Not from among the Swiss Calvinists or the English Calvinists or the Scottish Calvinists came this arrogant, willful intransigence in support of Synergistic heresy, but from among the Dutch.

Sadly, it is reputed to be true that some Dutch Calvinists are nearly as arrogant as were their obstinate Dutch Arminian rivals.

667 posted on 01/23/2002 10:35:04 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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