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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Actually, I submit that there is no getting around Absolute Predestination even without the doctrine of Total Depravity.

That is an interesting comment given what Edwin Palmer, a Calvinist amongst Calvinists if there ever was one, wrote in his The Five Points of Calvinism, in which he clearly states that each of the 'five points' are so interdependent with the others that if any one of them fails, they must all fail. If I recall correctly, I think he said this was especially true of Absolute Predestination and Total Depravity. I will try to find my copy of the book sometime today and locate the exact quote.

596 posted on 01/23/2002 6:34:32 AM PST by connectthedots
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Actually, I submit that there is no getting around Absolute Predestination even without the doctrine of Total Depravity.

That is an interesting comment given what Edwin Palmer, a Calvinist amongst Calvinists if there ever was one, wrote in his The Five Points of Calvinism, in which he clearly states that each of the 'five points' are so interdependent with the others that if any one of them fails, they must all fail. If I recall correctly, I think he said this was especially true of Absolute Predestination and Total Depravity. I will try to find my copy of the book sometime today and locate the exact quote.

Bluntly, Palmer is wrong. (At least, he is if he does in fact imply that Predestination is dependent upon the doctrine of depravity)

Absolute Predestination is not dependent upon the doctrine of Total Depravity, but upon the doctrine of God's omniscient foreknowledge of all creative potentialities combined with His omnipotent sovereign Will to create that foreknown potentiality which He alone elects -- as the case of Matthew 11 clearly demonstrates. (see my #593)

601 posted on 01/23/2002 6:50:57 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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