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Are the writings of Calvinists your spiritual guide? Note that I did not say John Calvin since what many Calvinists have argued on this thread goes far beyond what Calvin actually wrote. Calvin was not nearly as confident in his writings as many of the Calvinists on this thread seem to be. Calvin had many doubts about the things he wrote because some of his conclusions troubled him a great deal.

Have you read either Calvin's Institutes or Mere Christianity? Have you read Edwin Palmer's the Five Points of Calvinism? I've read them all. Do you even know for what Edwin Palmer is most widely known?

NO I have read the Bible..(does that count:>)

It is on my list of things to do (read the Institutes) right now I am in the middle of 3 books.....

All I do is ask questions..that is my lot in life (as opposed to lot's wife:>))Sorry that silliness just jumped out

I believe a plain reading of scripture reinforces the reform position. I do not believe that it is a matter of salvation..but it should be of the utmost importance to every Christian to give all the glory to God for his salvation..

CTD: Have you read either Calvin's Institutes or Mere Christianity? Have you read Edwin Palmer's the Five Points of Calvinism? I've read them all. Do you even know for what Edwin Palmer is most widely known?

NO I have read the Bible..(does that count:>)

It is on my list of things to do (read the Institutes) right now I am in the middle of 3 books.....

All I do is ask questions..that is my lot in life (as opposed to lot's wife:>))Sorry that silliness just jumped out

You've not read Calvin's Institutes, nor Palmer's Five Points of Calvinism, yet you attempt to come across as an authority on Calvinism? Part of your problem is you are arguing your position based on what you think Calvin wrote, not what he actually wrote. On top of that, anyone who has not read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity can hardly claim to be knowledgeable on the subject of the nature of God and the "Law of Nature". If you were knowledgable on this topic, you might very well re-evaluate your loyalty to a man-devised theology like Calvinism as articulated by extremists within that school of thought.

It is one thing to ask questions, but quite another to make pronouncements as to the meaning of scripture and its support of a particular viewpoint (Calvinism in this case) when you really have no basis for making those claims, other than what others may have told you.

Calvin, inspite of his great intellect, was quite a loner and and as a result, a bit of a whack-job. You also make the mistake of equating the Reformation movement with Calvinism, something that cannot be supported by the facts.