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To: RnMomof7
We can not see or understand our sin unless God shows it to us..that is His act not ours

Have you not read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, do you not understand 'Natural Law'? I have never met a person who did not understand that they are a sinner. Many of them do not know the answer to their 'sin problem', but they know they have a problem. God places the knowledge of right and wrong in the heart and soul of every man. It is part of the nature of man. God created us with this knowledge.

On what basis do you conclude that the document drafted and approved at the Counsel of Dort, from which TULIP was formed, should be put on the same level as the Word of God, the Bible? Isn't it possible they got it wrong?

Which denomination are you a member of?

466 posted on 01/22/2002 8:21:45 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots; RnMomof7
" I have never met a person who did not understand that they are a sinner."

You don't get out much, do you?

I remember a very troubling conversation that I had with my grandmother many years ago when I was sharing the Gospel with her. She stated that she did not believe that she had ever sinned, in fact, her exact words were: "I may have swatted a naughty boy a time or two, but I don't believe that I have ever sinned". And then, there is the Orthodox Jewish rabbi I witnessed to once who stated "Since childhood I have not transgressed the law of God".

These are not isolated instances, I have discovered that before anyone can be saved they must first come to the realization of their lostness. Most people think they are just "hunky-dorry", and have no need for a Savior.

You need to get out more often. These people are all around you.

468 posted on 01/22/2002 8:41:41 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: connectthedots;Jerry_M
Have you not read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, do you not understand 'Natural Law'? I have never met a person who did not understand that they are a sinner. Many of them do not know the answer to their 'sin problem', but they know they have a problem. God places the knowledge of right and wrong in the heart and soul of every man. It is part of the nature of man. God created us with this knowledge.

So is C S Lewis your spiritual guide?

Conscience was a result of the fall..yes we all have a conscience ..but for many sin is something that makes them feel bad..once they feel "better" it as my granddaughter says "all gone "

Most people if asked will say that people are "good"..only a few say they are "dirty rotten sinners" :) Intellectual understanding of sin is very different than spiritual awareness. Most people do not think they will go to hell because they are "good people" Just listen to the self deception at any funeral.

On what basis do you conclude that the document drafted and approved at the Counsel of Dort, from which TULIP was formed, should be put on the same level as the Word of God, the Bible? Isn't it possible they got it wrong?

*grin* Is it possible CS Lewis is wrong ?*grin*

Which denomination are you a member of?

Irrelevant

473 posted on 01/22/2002 9:41:24 AM PST by RnMomof7
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