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To: fortheDeclaration
Thus, Original sin is actually a blessing since it allows God to forgive as easily as He had condemned (since the sins have been paid for by Christ).

So you don't believe that where sin did abound, grace did much more abound.

By the way, there is not one verse in the Bible that says sin is "payed for." Sin is always described as something for which we are paid, not something we pay for. If all man's sin had been "paid for" and God still sent men to hell, he would be extracting the price twice. This is another Augustinian heresy, like the sinful nature nonsense.

Just please answer one question. Is it a sin to be tempted?

Hank

327 posted on 01/21/2002 4:16:07 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
So you don't believe that where sin did abound, grace did much more abound.

Yes, I do, but you have to accept it (Jn.1:12). We are born in Adam and we have to get into Christ (the 2nd Adam) this is what being 'born again'means. That is only done through faith (Eph.2:8)

By the way, there is not one verse in the Bible that says sin is "payed for."

When the Lord cried out 'it is finished' that is exactly what he was saying. In 1Cor:20 we are told we were brought with a price. In 1Pet.1:18-19 it tells us that we were not redeemed with corruptible things...but with the precious blood of Christ.

Sin is always described as something for which we are paid, not something we pay for. If all man's sin had been "paid for" and God still sent men to hell, he would be extracting the price twice. This is another Augustinian heresy, like the sinful nature nonsense.

No, regarding the sinful nature Augustine was right, Pelagius was wrong.

The one is sent to Hell for disbelief (Jn.16:9). At the judgement, he will stand and make his case before the one who died for him. Man's 'righteousness' will be weighed against the necessarity of having perfect righteousness (God's righteousness) and he will come up short. God is perfect, to live in his presence you have to be perfect also.There is only way to get that perfection, be covered in the Blood! (Rom.3:25)

All sins have been paid for, that is why Christ has the keys to hell and death. Man has to take the free gift or stand on his own merit. In that case, Isa 6:5 comes to mind 'Woe is me! for I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips, for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of Hosts'

Even so, come Lord Jesus Just please answer one question. Is it a sin to be tempted

426 posted on 01/21/2002 9:08:50 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Hank Kerchief
Just please answer one question. Is it a sin to be tempted?

Sorry, I did not answer this. No, it is not a sin to be tempted. It is a sin to say yes to the temptation, which we all do. So what is your point?

Even so, come Lord Jesus

427 posted on 01/21/2002 9:11:31 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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