[connectthedots]

An argument for which extreme Calvinists have no answer. If these extremists were correct in their theology, why do Calvinist Churches bother with missionary work if those God predestined were going to go to Heaven anyway? The next logical conclusion is why bother with worshipping God if one is predestined to eternal life.

Unfortunately the rationalization that these extremist Calvinist make remind me of the same type of circular reasoning used by Mormons in their attempt to defend an indefensible position. Rather than being so hung up on what John Calvin wrote and what Calvinists think he meant, it is much better to go straight to the Bible and simply read the clear meaning of the words.

These extreme Calvinists seem to be more interested in defending one man's interpretation of salvation than they are in simply speading the Gospel.

I would also like to hear a Calvinist reconcile the parable of the sowing of the seed with predestination. Not one has ever done it and made sense with their explanation.

[veryconernedamerican]

this could be a logic problem involving the difference of god being all knowing and peoples lives already being lived for them. if someone is predestined for something it is different than an omnipotent god knowing what they will choose, i think this is where calvins problem was.

[A.J.Armitage]

Rather than being so hung up on what John Calvin wrote and what Calvinists think he meant, it is much better to go straight to the Bible and simply read the clear meaning of the words.

Indeed. I still haven't gotten anyone to tell me how the clear meaning of the words in Ephesians 1:4-5 can be anything but predestination.

[RnMomof7]

I would also like to hear a Calvinist reconcile the parable of the sowing of the seed with predestination. Not one has ever done it and made sense with their explanation.

Actually I believe that the parable of the sower and the seed proves Calvinism

Come read the word of God with me

Matthew 13
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

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Read it and understand....the meaning is clear. The word is given....but all will not understand or receive it because as Jesus said it is " not given to then to understand. Now multitudes had heard that parable. Jesus preached it with the intent for it to go forth, yet the multitudes did not understand it. It was spoken for His disciples . It was spoken to be a teaching to those that would follow..

That is why there are Evangelical Calvinists..some will hear even if the multitudes will not!