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To: Huusker; RaceBannon
Christ died for the sins of the world, not the elect. Calvanism is wrong on that.

Before I address your evidence that we have it all wrong (Calvinist humor) answer me this one question: Before God spoke the very first word of creation, did He know all details of His creation from who would be saved and down even to the last detail of every single thought of all His created "dirt?

19 posted on 01/20/2002 6:37:35 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
I believe he DID know. This is why it is so amazing. Since God knew who would believe, it seems He created people to just destroy them! BUT, He did allow a Saviour for them, too.

In the same respect, in order to show His love to the Angels, men were created. Hell was created for Angels who rebelled, right? So, if God is all knowing, he also knew which Angels would rebel beforehand, too. It seems the just way, is what we believe now anyways:

That those who choose to believe God in what God said, will receive the promise of fellowship with Him. Angels came first, so they had to be taught a lesson using fragile things like us people. All the more just, too, in that all we had to do was believe and people choose to NOT believe, whereas the Angels had to OBEY in God's sight, and they had tremendous power, unlike us.

Could create a circular arguement, i'll agree, but I find it almost impssible to believe that God created people solely for the reason of rejecting them. If God is love, and I believe He is, then He had to provide a way to save them from their own folly. To be just, He has to reject those who refuse to believe, also!

48 posted on 01/20/2002 7:26:54 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: CCWoody
Before I address your evidence that we have it all wrong (Calvinist humor) answer me this one question: Before God spoke the very first word of creation, did He know all details of His creation from who would be saved and down even to the last detail of every single thought of all His created "dirt?

Yes, He did, He foreknew all those who would freely believe on Him if they were given the Gospel.

Even so, come Lord Jesus

153 posted on 01/20/2002 9:12:27 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: CCWoody
Before God spoke the very first word of creation, did He know all details of His creation from who would be saved and down even to the last detail of every single thought of all His created "dirt?

You are right. There is, however, a huge difference between His knowledge and fatalism.

330 posted on 01/21/2002 4:46:50 AM PST by Dataman
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To: CCWoody
I have a ton of work to do and really don't have time to respond to your post but I must let you know that you are very wrong in your belief that Christ only died for the elect.

Jesus Christ the Son of God died to take away every person's sin on the whole face of the Earth. He accomplished his mission nearly 2000 years ago. He took ALL the world's sins upon him on cross of Calvary. He died for mankind while mankind was still his enemy. All the apostles left him. NO HUMAN WAS ON HIS SIDE, ALL FORSAKE HIM. No human will be sentenced to eternal hell because of any sin they commited on Earth umless they commit the one sin which will not be forgiven. That one sin that can doom a person to hell which won't be forgiven, even by our all compsionate, forgiving and loving saviour, is rejecting his free gift of eternal life by not acknowledgeing him, and not accepting him as your Lord and Saviour and not loving him with all your heart mind and soul.

All have been forgiven of all sins except for the sin which won't be forgiven.

God makes no one be with him, it's your choice where you spend eternity.

816 posted on 01/23/2002 8:47:08 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: CCWoody
Foreknowledge is not control. Check your dictionary.
952 posted on 01/24/2002 9:22:17 AM PST by MEGoody
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