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I almost missed your post. I have been having a rather intense discussion with some mormons on the religion forum with a few friends.

... Him who justifies the ungodly....

I was just asking an Arminian about this verse a few days ago. He never answered, I suppose for the exact reason you cite. Consider this as well, as God justifies the ungodly. Can the ungodly whom God has justified remain ungodly? Can the ungodly whom God has justified not perservere? If the Lord has been gracious enough to apart a particular people for himself, would it in any way make sense for Him to not finish the good work He began in us?

BTW, let me introduce you to our Compassionate Calvinist drstevej, an honest TU_IP guy and ask this "simple" question: If there are no limits anywhere on the Atonement, then why is everyone not saved? The point being, everyone except the universalist limits the Atonement in one way or the other.

I hold the doctrine of Limited Attainment, that is, only the elect are irresistibly drawn by the Holy Spirit, justified and ultimately glorified.

I do not hold Limited Atonement because I find some passages (esp. 2 Peter 2:1) that I find hard to reconcile with Particular Redemption. I do appreciate the logic and symetry of Particular redemption but do not find logic and symetry sufficient to set aside passages that indicate that Jesus Christ died for all.

My position does not risk universalism because the Father has not elected all and the Spirit draws only the elect. Jean would remind me that this means that there is "wasted blood" to which I reply, "So be it."

T-U-_-I-P for me.

CCW, is this the summary of my position you were requesting? I refer to myself as an Amyraldian but really my views were solidified before I studied the Amyraut controversy.