[White Mountain]

How you guys keep trying to wrest judgment from the hands of God and vest it in yourselves!

(I am trying to be lighthearted about it, but it is a serious problem, leading to much unacceptable behavior here at FR in the name of "contending for the faith" and "spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ", as you think you get to decide that people you disagree with are reprobate and that reprobates should be treated a certain way.)

[la$tminutepardon]

No, it's just one way to recognize each other when these disputes occur, but let it go. When I requested baptism, my old pastor put me through the mill and I had to convince the church elders that I remembered everything about the day that I was saved, right down to the minutest details, quite a feat since I was only a child when I accepted Him into my heart. Afterwards, when I recovered, and asked one why, he said that then they knew that my salvation was real. And we don't believe that baptism saves us, but Christ. and baptism is merely obedience.