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To: ShadowAce
Some also used their free will to love God.

If, and only if, that free will has been loosened by the Holy Spirit and given a desire to love God.

if God saves only those he wishes through "providing the grace required" for that person (thus manipulating him), then why manipulate men into hating Him?

God did not manipulate men into hating Him. Our fall from grace in the garden of Eden imparted to our fleshy nature to turn away from God.

That is how they will be judged--not whether they know the human NAME of Christ, but that He exists, and worship Him accordingly.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
--St. John 3:3

Guess that makes Jesus out to be a liar.

Well, Christians in general have more in common than they have differences.

We somewhat find agreement here. Although I don't know what in God's name is wrong with come so-called Christian denominations to ordain homosexuals as ministers.

1,384 posted on 01/28/2002 6:39:02 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
FYI--I do not believe that God manipulates man into hating Him. I believe, however, that that is the logical consequence of TULIP calvinism. I was trying to use their own arguments to show them the outcome of their thinking.
1,392 posted on 01/29/2002 3:37:36 AM PST by ShadowAce
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