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To: ShadowAce
Exactly my point. Your point (as I understand it), is that God, through His omniscience, created that hate by playing the environment around each person. In essence, the person was forced to hate God through the manipulations of God. IF God manipulates us to hate Him, why condemn us? --we're doing exactly as He desires.

Ya' see, you don't understand my point or my position or even the Bible. All men everywhere used their free will to Hate God. God, for His glory, has chosen to redeem some of us out of our God hating mess.

Romans 1:17-21 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written: "The just shall live by faith." For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shown it unto them. For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. For when they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God, nor were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Oh, the reason I asked if you are RC is that you sure sound like one.
1,368 posted on 01/28/2002 5:46:30 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
All men everywhere used their free will to Hate God.

Even Samuel? Some also used their free will to love God. You still haven't addressed the paradox that if God saves only those he wishes through "providing the grace required" for that person (thus manipulating him), then why manipulate men into hating Him?

For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

Hey--you found a verse that talks about the New Guinea natives! That is how they will be judged--not whether they know the human NAME of Christ, but that He exists, and worship Him accordingly.

Oh, the reason I asked if you are RC is that you sure sound like one.

Well, Christians in general have more in common than they have differences.

1,373 posted on 01/28/2002 6:02:23 PM PST by ShadowAce
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