Of course you are wiggling and squirming around this thing. The words of your "prophet":
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archange, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken - He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do.... When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.I suppose you would have me believe that we don't understand at all what we are reading. It does seem to me, and I'm sure to all who are not deceived by Satan, that Brigham Young really is declaring that Michael or Adam is really one of the 3 Persons of the Trinity. Please intrept this for those of us who have the Holy Spirit.Pg 51 of the same discourse:
It is true that this earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum... perfectly represented in the Diety, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.... Now let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.
BTW, I find it blastedly amusing that it is Adam on the Throne in Daniel 7, but God (whatever that means to you) on the Throne in Revelation. The words of another of your "prophets":
I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and He is the God that pertains to this earth--the first man. That first man sent His own Son to redeem the world." - H. C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 1856, vol. 4, p. 1And lest there be any doubt about just who Brigham Young though the Ancient of Days is, look at the:
They will come up tribe, by tribe, and the Ancient of Days, He who led Abraham, and talked to Noah, Enoch, Isaac, and Jacob, that very being will come and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. - Journal of Discourses 11:327 (Feb. 10, 1867)Please explain it to us who are obviously not under some kind of Satanic decption how it is not Father God (Adam to you) who is talking to Abraham and Noah and Enoch and Isaac and Jacob. Hmmmm!
Your worrying about all these bits and pieces of sermons presented in isolation, which sermons were transcribed in frontier conditions and not published by the Church as Scripture, distracts people from what they should be doing -- studying the Word of God and patterning their lives thereby.
You do not make a serious study of the teachings of these men of God to get the overall tone of their teaching, but instead look for stuff you can attack with. This behavior does not prepare you for heaven, Woody, as the other people you attack need to know. You owe me a bigger and bigger apology as time goes on, Woody.
However, I will offer a few comments, which you will use to attack again, if the past is any guide.
From your first quote you could accuse President Young of thinking that our father Adam had become so united with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that he speaks of all four in one breath. I don't know that I would go that far. From what I have read, I am not comfortable that his sermon was transcribed correctly. This seems to be such an anomaly when compared with his other statements.
From your second quote, President Young says that three beings organized the earth, two of whom are God the Father and God the Son. The third was the archangel Michael, a spirit child of God the Father, who was later placed on the earth he helped create, that is, his spirit (pneuma in Greek) became the breath of life to the physical body that God created, in His image, for him. After this he was known as Adam. The same thing happened to each of us in our mother's womb, for we all lived with God as His spirit children before we were born.
So President Young says these three formed a quorum, or organizational unit, for the purpose creating the earth, just like Diety, or the Godhead, which is also organized as a quorum of three: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
Your third quote is from Heber C. Kimball, who is clearly talking about God the Father, but why he refers to Him as "the first man" in this instance I do not know. We do have this from the Pearl of Great Price (LDS Scripture), emphasis mine:
Moses 6:57
57 Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.
Moses 7:35
35 Behold, I am God; Man of Holiness is my name; Man of Counsel is my name; and Endless and Eternal is my name, also.
Your remaining quote:
They will come up tribe by tribe, and the Ancient of Days, He who led Abraham, and talked to Noah, Enoch, Isaac, and Jacob, that very Being will come and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. He will say, "You rebelled, and you have been left to the mercies of the wicked." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses volume 11 page 327)We will find out at the Day of Judgment how Christ, the Judge of all (see below), will delegate the judgment of the human family. We know that He has delegated the judgment of righteous Israel to His twelve apostles (see below). The quote above seems to refer to the judgment of wicked Israel. It is quite conceivable that Adam, after his death, assisted God and labored under His direction to return as an angel to visit Abraham, Noah, etc. I would wish to visit my righteous prophet-descendants, if I were Adam. As I said, we will find out when the time comes, and until then, it really is not necessary to speculate.
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Book of Mormon, Alma 11:44
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
D&C 29:12
12 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, and it hath gone forth in a firm decree, by the will of the Father, that mine apostles, the Twelve which were with me in my ministry at Jerusalem, shall stand at my right hand at the day of my coming in a pillar of fire, being clothed with robes of righteousness, with crowns upon their heads, in glory even as I am, to judge the whole house of Israel, even as many as have loved me and kept my commandments, and none else.