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All just doesn't mean all.

All truly does mean all. The question is which all. All sheep, or all goats?

God would have everyone to be saved, no matter what you *think*.

First off, stop FALSELY accusing me of giving you what I THINK. I'm doing no such thing. If I were giving you just what I thought, I wouldn't be giving your biblical proof. I'm opinionated enough as it is. But this is no "opinion."

God would have all men saved? Oh, really? Why do we learn that God loved Jacob yet hated Esau? Was not Esau the first from Rebecca's womb, and Jacob even tricked Esau out of his birthright? Yet, Jacob was God's choice. Doesn't the blessing normally go to the firstborn male in the Old Testament? As it is written in Malachi 1:2 & 3 (here I go again giving you and everyone else biblical proof of God's election):

²I have loved you, said the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

³And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

These are the words of the LORD's, given to the prophet Malachi concerning how the LORD so loved Israel. He shows them in these words that although Esau was the rightful owner of the birthright, God deliberately chose the younger through which the promised seed would come. Therefore, neither you, me, nor anyone else can refute the fact that God does indeed make CHOICES. And this fact is shown time and time and time and time again in the Bible. It's irrefutable! And what is this called? Grace, that's what. Did not the Apostle Paul write:

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour?
-- 2 Timothy 2:20

Do you care to address what I've written? All I'm saying is that I'm giving you and everyone else biblical proof of what I say. Now, if I'm wrong, simply yet BIBLICALLY prove me wrong (not your opinion because I'm not giving you my opinion). Those verses you gave me earlier helped my point, not yours. And I've biblically shown you that.

Let me give you this also. Romans 9:9-21 reads:

⁹For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come and Sarah shall have a son.
¹⁰And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, evey by our father Isaac;
¹¹(FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)
¹²It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
¹³As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED.
¹⁴What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
¹⁵For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.
¹⁶So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
¹⁷For the scripture saith unto Pharoah, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, THAT I MIGHT SHEW MY POWER IN THEE, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL THE EARTH.
¹⁸Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will hardeneth.
¹⁹Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
²⁰Nay but, O man, WHO ART THOU THAT REPLIEST AGAINST GOD? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
²¹Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

EMPHASIS MINE

You, therefore, fall right into what the Apostle Paul was writing about in this passage. You asked the same question, or made the assuption, that Paul headed off from the outset.

CC, RnMomof7, OP, do you find fault with what I've written?

[CCWoody]

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me.

All truly does mean all. The question is which all. All sheep, or all goats?

Both, of course!

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Matthew 25:33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

For those not saved, condemnation to the Lake of Fire;

Revelation 20:13-15 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

... for the saints, crowns (2 Timothy 4:8) and jewels. Of course, we will already have the greatest Jewel of them all; the Morning Star which has risen in our hearts (2 Peter 1:19).

Revelation 22:16-17 "I, Jesus, have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the Radiant Morning Star." And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let him that heareth say, "Come." And let him that is athirst come; and whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely.