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To: fortheDeclaration
Nothing 'out of context' about it. Now, you tell me how verse 26 affects the fact that God has determined that all men (who are not able to do so, according to Total depravity) should seek the Lord. I am not ignoring the context, you are avoiding the passage (maybe it will go away)

Bad form! Here, let me correct you: God has determined that all men (who are not able to do so, according to the Bible) should seek the Lord. There, that is much better. Unfortunately for you Acts 17 does not say what you think it says nor does it say what you want it to say nor does it say what your God hating theology needs for it to say. It simply says that men should seek. It does not say that men do seek God. It does not say that men are able to seek God. It does say that men should seek God.

Romans 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
The natural man does not have the will to do good until he is born of God. Your protestations otherwise noted!
1,070 posted on 01/24/2002 8:55:03 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
The natural man does not have the will to do good until he is born of God. Your protestations otherwise noted!

It depends on what you mean by the term "good".

There are MANY "good" people who are not born again, never heard of Jesus Christ, and still yet would rival even your "goodness". While on the other hand, many self proclaiming Christians think that being "good" is showing up for church on Sunday.

It is written, "Many that are first will be last, and many that are last shall be first", for a reason.

Christians are commanded to go into the world and preach the gospel to EVERY creature. How many "Christians" do you think actually do this? do you?

1,076 posted on 01/24/2002 9:18:39 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: CCWoody
Bad form! Here, let me correct you: God has determined that all men (who are not able to do so, according to the Bible) should seek the Lord. There, that is much better. Unfortunately for you Acts 17 does not say what you think it says nor does it say what you want it to say nor does it say what your God hating theology needs for it to say. It simply says that men should seek. It does not say that men do seek God.

Correct, it just says that God has made it possible (hapily)

That would mean that man is not so 'dead' that he cannot respond if God seeks him

It does not say that men are able to seek God. It does say that men should seek God.

Alright, and it states that man should seek God ...and find Him

Romans 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.

Woody, you certainly left Acts quickly. So, Acts 17:27 states that we should seek God (if perhaps) we might find Him? Right?(Is that how you read it?

Rom.7:18 does not contradict Acts 17 so that would not be the one to go to deal with Acts 17.

Note also the blindness mentioned, they might feel after Him, hence the need of 2Cor.4:6.

Let us look at what Rom 7:18 really says (and thank you for citing the verse)

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing; for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not

Now, context shows that has to do with a believer not an unbeliever. Look at verse 22

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man

Now, no Calvinist is going to say that any unbeliever delights in the law of God-are they?

The natural man does not have the will to do good until he is born of God. Your protestations otherwise noted!

Well, you and Zadok can both close your eyes and hope the verse goes away, but you haven't dealt with it, your Calvinist presuppostions notwithstanding.

1,084 posted on 01/24/2002 10:28:05 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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