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Hahaha...as I have said three times now....I have already dealt with that. Apparently continuing to go in circles when I have thoroughly dispatched that fantasy is what you would like to do but I will pass.

Now I am on to destroying the myth of "once saved always saved".

Care to share?

I am also sorry for my smart aleck remarks towards you.

Now I am on to destroying the myth of "once saved always saved".

Of course, OSAS is a myth. However, the Eternal Security of the saints is not:

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He hath perfected for ever those who are [being] sanctified.

Would you maintain that God throws people whom He has already perfected into Hell?

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them and they follow Me. And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. My Father, who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand. I and My Father are one."

Any man who wants to maintain his own salvation has no right to believe that he is Eternally Secure. However, the Father has given me to the Son. The Spirit has cleaned me and regenerated me (born again). No one will snatch me from His hand. In fact, it is the expressed will of the father that all such people are saved forever (John 6:39) And this is the Father's will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.

Moreover, I have been given a Seal of this Promise for without Him I would be lost. And God does not break promises, but will preserve me forever (Psalm 37:28): For the LORD loveth [justice], and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever, but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. It don't get any more secure than that!

Hahaha...as I have said three times now....I have already dealt with that. Apparently continuing to go in circles when I have thoroughly dispatched that fantasy is what you would like to do but I will pass. Now I am on to destroying the myth of "once saved always saved". Care to share?

As to "Once Saved, Always Saved":
Precisely when does a Saved Christian, lose his salvation?

One Sin? Two Sins? Three Sins? Four?

For the sake of discussion, we'll grant the premise that a Christian can lose his salvation.

At what quantifiable point does it happen?

Surely Scripture is not silent about telling us exactly what is required of a Saved Christian to miss Heaven and procure Hell. A quantifiable point, please? Much obliged.

As to Predestination:
One question only. Only a one-word answer required, a simple "true" or "false":

Matthew 11: 20 - 27 -- Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you." At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice NOT TO REPENT in the case of His non-performance of such Miracles; AND
God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice TO REPENT in the case of His performance of such Miracles; AND
God CHOSE not to perform these Miracles in Tyre and Sidon, a choice which had as its perfectly foreknown result the NON-Repentance of Tyre and Sidon, just as He foreknew.
True, or False?

Hahaha...as I have said three times now....I have already dealt with that. Apparently continuing to go in circles when I have thoroughly dispatched that fantasy is what you would like to do but I will pass.

Then quote yourself. Hey, just cite the number of the post. Confirm your contention that you "dealt with that". I'd be very interested in seeing what you think can "deal with" the passage I quoted, because frankly, I don't think you even tried to, and if I'm mistaken about you lying to us all, I still highly doubt that you actually did deal with it. How much clearer can "He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world" get? If I said that, you'd say I lacked spritual knowledge. But I didn't say it, the Bible did. There's no way around it that fits the clear meaning of the text; if you want to be an honest man, you have to take account of it in your thinking.

Now I am on to destroying the myth of "once saved always saved".

I've seen you boast like this on other threads. IIRC, you said something about no one there being able to compare to your "logos and rhema". Pride is really not good for you.